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Ted Cruz could beat Hillary
Salon.com ^ | Saturday, Jul 20, 2013 03:30 AM PDT | Jonathan Bernstein

Posted on 08/21/2013 9:09:21 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

He may be a right-wing nut, but the Texas senator can beat a Democrat in a general election. Here's why

There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects. The demagoguing senator took his first trip to Iowa just six months after being sworn in to office, and he’s pretty clearly reaching for the White House. Early reports are that it’s going well. And Rich Yeselson wrote a high-profile (and fascinating) essay arguing that, basically, Cruz is perfectly positioned for reaching the top of the Republican ticket.

The focus of this piece is on Cruz’s general election viability. When it comes to the primary, I’m not going to start handicapping the viable candidates seeking the Republican nomination yet; I’ll only say that I don’t see any reason not to include Cruz in that group, as of now. Viable candidates have conventional credentials and are in the mainstream of their party on questions of public policy. Cruz, from what we know now, qualifies. With four years in elected office by January 2017, he’ll be in a similar boat with Barack Obama (who, granted, had held lower office as well) and Mitt Romney (who at least had four full years before his campaign began). And while Cruz surely is planted at an edge of the Republican mainstream, I don’t see any reason, so far, to believe he’s close to falling off that edge. Whether or not Yeselson is correct that Cruz is a particularly strong candidate, it’s certainly very possible to see him nominated.

But what about the general election? Could he actually win?

What I hear from many liberals about Cruz’s chances are two things. One is just disbelief: Republicans wouldn’t really do something like nominate Cruz, would they? The key is that Ted Cruz isn’t Herman Cain or even Michele Bachmann; he’s a United States senator, and that counts for something (that is, conventional credentials count for something) in presidential elections. So, yes, they really could do something like that.

The other thing I hear, however, is perhaps even more wrong. Some liberals react by actively rooting for Cruz. The theory? The nuttier the nominee, the worse the chances of Republicans retaking the White House. Indeed, in conversation I’ve heard all sorts of justifications: Cruz couldn’t possibly win Florida! Therefore, he couldn’t win the White House!

Don’t listen to it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: citizenship; cruz; cruz2016; cruzcitizen; naturalborncanadian; naturalborncuban; naturalbornsubject; tedcruz
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To: SoConPubbie

“Please provide the relevant section of the US Constitution that proves your point?”

Wow, thanks for illustrating your profound ignorance of our Constitution!

FYI: Article Two, Section One of the COTUS:

>>No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.<<


61 posted on 08/21/2013 9:57:47 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes, I’ll get right on that for you, SoCon.

As soon as you provide proof of your relevance to anything whatsoever in the life of an average working stiff like me.

Barring that, stuff a sock in it, hey?


62 posted on 08/21/2013 9:58:09 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Phillyred
He has an American birth certificate. The Canadian one is complimentary.

^5


63 posted on 08/21/2013 9:58:55 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: xzins

“So, if he didn’t hide his Canadian birth certificate, what does that say about him?”

It does say he’s honest but it also says to me that I don’t want him as President. All of his other qualifications are fine and exemplary, but I do NOT want to open the door to foreign-born politicians becoming our President.

If it’s acceptable to let someone be President who spent the first four years of his life in Canada then why not have a President who spent the first 20,30, or 40 years of his life in Russia, China, or Saudi Arabia?

Sorry, but Cruz cannot get my vote and that’s not because I’ll support Hillary it’s because she absolutely will sue to kick him off the ballot if he’s nominated.

Just the same as a Republican would do if they could prove the Democrat was born in Canada.


64 posted on 08/21/2013 10:03:14 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Dude, my apologies.

I thought you were teeing off on me on behalf of MeganC.

I saw your response on the ping list and didn’t bother going back to reread the entire thread.

My fault, I’m sorry for the sharp words.


65 posted on 08/21/2013 10:03:17 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: MeganC
Wow, thanks for illustrating your profound ignorance of our Constitution!

FYI: Article Two, Section One of the COTUS:

>>No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.<<


Once again:

Please provide the relevant section of the US Constitution that proves your point about the definition for Natural Born?

If you are unable to do that, please provide the relevant US Law passed by Congress and signed by a US President that provides the necessary justification for your position/definition for Natural Born.

Barring that, please provide the relevant US Supreme Court case ruling that provides the necessary justification for your position/definition for Natural Born.
66 posted on 08/21/2013 10:04:59 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Fightin Whitey

No problems.


67 posted on 08/21/2013 10:05:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: MeganC

Regarding lawsuits on this topic, there is an inexhaustible number where every court into which such suits have been offered, they have eventually been tossed for lack of standing. “Who” has standing to sue has not been determined.


68 posted on 08/21/2013 10:09:27 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: SoConPubbie

Either Ted Cruz or Rand Paul could beat Hillary Clinton or Chris Christie. If either Cruz or Paul is not nominated as the GOP candidate, then I hope he runs as a third-party candidate, and I really believe the country is ripe for the election of a real conservative even if only with a 34 percent plurality.


69 posted on 08/21/2013 10:10:33 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Not only that, this kind of lawsuit would be a PR disaster for the Democrats, especially if Cruz won the election. I do not see anyone suing over this except maybe some crazy ring-wing nuts. ;-)

Cruz us eligible and if he runs, he has my vote. Don’t really care were he spent his life as a baby.


70 posted on 08/21/2013 10:12:10 AM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: xzins

Obama was the first “black” president
Rafael Edward Cruz would be first Hispanic President

Obama was a Senator for less than 2 years.
Cruz will have been a senator for 4 years.

Obama held office in the Illinois legislature.
Cruz was the solicitor general of Texas.

Cruz was an honors graduate of Princeton University.
Obama has never released a transcript.

Cruz was a law clerk for chief justice William Rehnquist.
Obama never put his law degree to work.

Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review and never penned an article.

Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995.[27][1] While at Harvard Law, Cruz was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[4] Referring to Cruz’s time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant.”[19][28][29][30][31][32] At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.[33]

Well if you put it that way, I am gonna vote for Cruz!


71 posted on 08/21/2013 10:18:04 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: MeganC; Jeff Winston
"It is not necessary that a man should be born in this country, to be 'a natural born citizen.' It is only requisite that he should be a citizen by birth, and that is the case with all the children of citizens who have ever resided in this country, though born in a foreign country." - James Bayard, A Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States (1833)

This was part of Bayard's discussion of qualifications to be President and Presidential eligibility.

Bayard's exposition of the Constitution was read and approved by the Great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall, by the legendary Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, and by the famous Chancellor James Kent, as well as other legal experts of the early United States.

72 posted on 08/21/2013 10:20:05 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SoConPubbie

Look, I don’t really care to parse this with you. Obviously any answer I give you will be up for grabs because Ted Cruz is your guy. Great.

Nominate Ted and lose the election. Have fun with that.

I’m holding out hope that Palin will run.


73 posted on 08/21/2013 10:25:08 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: AtlasStalled
Either Ted Cruz or Rand Paul could beat Hillary Clinton or Chris Christie. If either Cruz or Paul is not nominated as the GOP candidate, then I hope he runs as a third-party candidate, and I really believe the country is ripe for the election of a real conservative even if only with a 34 percent plurality.

While I generally like and respect Rand Paul, his Amnesty Plan, for me, disqualifies him for POTUS.

I don't want anyone near the seat of power who is stupid enough to think that giving 30 million+ Undocumented Democrats the vote is a good thing for the future welfare and even existence of this experiment we call a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
74 posted on 08/21/2013 10:26:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: MeganC
Look, I don’t really care to parse this with you. Obviously any answer I give you will be up for grabs because Ted Cruz is your guy. Great.

Nominate Ted and lose the election. Have fun with that.


No, you don't have an answer, that is why you are not giving the answer needed.

If you have proof that your definition of "Natural Born" is the correct, LEGAL one, please provide it, otherwise, you are tilting at windmills concerning your understanding of a NON-LEGAL definition of the term.

Furthermore, look at the post directly above yours as to why your definition is wrong.

And no, Like Ronald Reagan, Ted Cruz if nominated will not lose, he will wipe the floor with whatever demented, socialist Democrat is nominated.
75 posted on 08/21/2013 10:29:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: GraceG

“Obama never put his law degree to work.”

Sure he did. I hear he used it to cover a hole in the wall in his home office.


76 posted on 08/21/2013 10:30:53 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: MeganC

We currently have a Kenyan citizen sitting in the Whitehut. Dual Canadian-US citizenship doesn’t sound so bad. :-)


77 posted on 08/21/2013 10:37:20 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MeganC
I’m holding out hope that Palin will run.

So am I, but lacking her, I'll take Senator Cruz any day!
78 posted on 08/21/2013 10:41:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: TurboZamboni

To the left, any republican could win the Nobel prize in medicine for finding a cure for cancer, and be forevermore referred to as nutty. It has to be in the Salon rule book, if they have one.


79 posted on 08/21/2013 10:42:33 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Ted Cruz 2016 !!!


80 posted on 08/21/2013 10:44:18 AM PDT by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, FReeper Extraordinaire Doctor Raoul...)
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