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There is another side to Trayvon Martin’s death
Cross Roads News ^ | August 16, 2013 | Elrado Ramsay

Posted on 08/17/2013 3:24:17 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Past Your Eyes

No, it is a carefully written sentence to stir up the base with the first phrase, and then give them the conclusion. His base has a collection of neurons that will saturate, and leave out the facts and reason in the middle section.

“Of course because of “Stand Your Ground”.... take Martin out.”

Don’t under estimate these people. They know exactly what they are doing. As they are willing to lie, to promote theft, torture, perversion and murder I must oppose them. I don’t imagine that it will be easy.


81 posted on 08/17/2013 3:40:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Of course under the northern proposition, the slave states could have increased their representation by freeing as many slaves as they wanted.

Under the southern proposition, the slave states would have no such incentive to free their slaves. The compromise would provide some, but not quite as much incentive to free their slaves.

North Carolina permitted freedmen to vote until 1835, and those freedmen counted as a full person toward representation.


82 posted on 08/17/2013 3:44:39 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Boomer One

Again, look at the first phase, then the last. Delete the middle, to emulate those whose neurons have saturated.

“...neighborhood watchman....Zimmerman’s cowardice.”

That is all that this guy’s base will pick up.


83 posted on 08/17/2013 3:48:07 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: MasterGunner01

I shot a mere .38 S&W inside a car once. Yes, it is surely loud, and it is also annoying for the safety glass to spray all over everyone inside the car.

Only recommended if absolutely necessary.


84 posted on 08/17/2013 3:53:06 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

It was a considered way to encourage southern states to free their slaves.

The southern states had been voting money to be spent in the south for many years. The southern states could have increased their voting representation by freeing their slaves. They would also have attracted more immigrants who were typically at the lower end of the economic spectrum. In the south they would have competed with slave labor, in the north they would have been the equal of any free man.

Of course the National Road began in Virginia and headed west through Kentucky. Of course the masonry forts were mostly around southern cities. Of course most tariffs were collected at northern ports.


85 posted on 08/17/2013 4:00:16 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Interesting observation. Of course, neither Virginia nor North Carolina, nor, for that matter, most of the northern southern states, were ever all that enthusiastic about succession.

It took Lincoln's invasion of Virginia to finally push them over the edge.

Even in the election of 1860, both states votes for the conciliatory Constitutional Union Party (John Bell).

87 posted on 08/17/2013 4:28:59 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Lincoln didn’t invade Virginia before Virginia’s pretended secession.

Rather, under the 1795 Militia Act the president declared that an insurrection existed, and called for state militias to help suppress it. His action was a parallel to that of Washington who asked for help from the Virginia militia to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion. Governor Lee (R.E. Lee’s father) led his state militia to suppress the rebellion at the request of Washington.

The pretended confederacy offered Virginia a chance to be their capital, and the patronage that went along with that.

After that, Virgina voted for secession, and provided their militia to support the insurrection against the US.


88 posted on 08/17/2013 4:37:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s extraordinary to once again read another individual’s analysis of the GZ/TM episode, someone who clearly had give much rational scrutiny to the matter and yet is so thoroughly clueless on the subject. Just a few missing details and the poor fool has the event utterly cockeyed.

It is remarkable straightforward to understand the GZ/TM episode if one recognises that both MSM’s and the public’s understanding of details is way off and an accurate understanding is very accessible if one follows the hard evidence before applying logic.

The GZ/TM episode? Here is the most likely scenario:

1. TM was acting strange, on the lawn on the opposite side of the RATL from his Dad’s new digs, most likely repeating his activity he got caught at 4 months prior. Burglary, this time scoping homes for future action.

2. GZ correctly kept an eye on the likely burglar and worked with SPD to try to nab the likely criminal.

3. TM behaves threateningly as he makes eye contact with GZ.

3. GZ throughout kept his distance and his cool. He stayed in his vehicle when TM walked up to him. His three tiny exclamations with “bad words” are just that, tiny and insignificant, notwithstanding P&C’s and Prosecution’s dishonest and self-serving exaggerations. Only when TM was 250 feet away did GZ tail TM on foot. When SPD suggested he not tail him, GZ complied in 6 seconds, stopping and losing sight of TM almost immediately. As obvious on the audiotape, GZ throughout his call closely coordinated his actions with the SPD dispatcher. They clearly worked as a synchronized team. (It’s right there in the audiotape. Hard, irrefutable evidence, i.e. Fact.)

4. TM was out of GZ’s sight for 3 1/2 minutes. He went back to this Dad’s new digs but never went inside. Most likely, TM bitched to RJ about GZ with RJ probably egging him on to give the CAC a whoop ass for catching him in the act.

5. After ending call with SPD, GZ fiddles with his dead flashlight, walks to the street to check the address and likely gives the open area one last look. He then turns and heads back to his truck. TM, having been spying on him, comes out from the dark and verbally challenges him.

6. GZ remained cool. Clearly the situation had changed dramatically. The likely thuggish individual had approached him and was being threatening. He needed to defuse the situation and wait for the police to show up in a minute or two. Was the individual contemplating violence? Was he about to be robbed? Was the hostile person just an irate, possibly drugged, individual who would soon explain his presence and so GZ can just get back in his truck and head to Target as planned. Enough excitement for the evening.

7. TM gives clever retort (”Do you have a problem with me being here?” “Hey, no bro.” “Well you do now!”). TM decks GZ, breaking his nose and knocking him down.

8. TM jumps on the fallen man, leg-locks him and pounds his face. As RJ freely admits (after the trial), TM is giving GZ a whoop ass, otherwise known as felony assault. He inflicts 8 separate wounds to GZ’s face and temples and gives him two black eyes. TM cuts his fourth left knuckle in the process.

9. Completely restrained, GZ uses his only weapon available, his voice, and screams for help, hoping a neighbor will help him restrain the felon assaulter until SPD shows up.

10.Neighbors being alerted was not in TM’s whoop ass plan. TM tries to shut GZ up to no avail.

11. JG pops out of his house, tells TM to cut it out and declares he is calling SPD. TM, fearing arrest and prison, panics and becomes determined to knock out GZ, kill him if he has to. He grabs GZ’s head and bashes it onto the sidewalk. GZ receives two wounds and three lumps to the back of his head.

12. GZ sees stars and little birdies. He is getting scared. He had already endured perhaps 60 seconds of the vicious felony assault and had not yet even considered using his firearm. Now he had to be concerned with the integrity of his brain function and even his life.

13. Still, as the savage beating turned life-threatening, GZ showed REMARKABLE RESTRAINT. Instead of shooting TM to save his brain, he chose to use the very, very last possible retreat left for him, to slide his head off the deadly weapon of the concrete slab. STILL, GZ CHOSE NOT TO USE DEADLY FORCE, BUT ENDURED BRUTAL HEADBASHING, TO SAVE TM’S LIFE.

14. As GZ wiggled his head off the sidewalk, his jacket slips up and exposes the gun. TM sees the gun, and gleefully sees the end game to the whoop ass. In an indulgence of cruelty he boasts to his victim, “Now you are going to die, you Motherfu**er!!”

15. TM’s sick boast gave GZ an extra second to grab the gun before TM. It turns out TM’s boast was prophetic, the Motherfu**er was going to die.

16. SPD shows up 45 seconds too late. GZ is disarmed and arrested. He is interrogated, giving a lie detector test, interrogated again and interrogated a third time all without an attorney. GZ is 100% cooperative.

17. GZ’s story holds up 100% to evidence. Norm Wolfinger reviews the case and correctly dismisses charges. 100% self-defense.

18. Daryl Parks and Benjamin Crump are retained by Tracy Martin. P&C review the same exculpatory evidence as Wolfinger. Clear to the personal injury attorneys, there is no case. 100% self defense.

19. P&C hatch a plot to manipulate America and especially the African-American community and fabricate a phony narrative about a scared little boy screaming as a giant racist vigilante hunts the boy down and shots the child dead for being Black. They rally the “Racial Justice” crowd. P&C anticipate $millions and worldwide fame for their clever scam.

20. America falls for it. AG Bondi gets Gov. Scott to appoint her political pal, the corrupt Angela Corey as Special Prosecutor.

21. Evidence countering the P&C scam start leaking to the public. Many become skeptical. Others remain true believers.

22. Trial happens. Roles flipped. Defense presents hard facts. Prosecution presents lame theories and emotions.

23. In spite of the hopes of one Black-Hispanic juror, the six female jurors hear the actual evidence and acquit GZ.

24. One month later, America still obsessed over GZ/TM. Tracy and Sybrina become Grieving-Parent Superstars. They pal around with Beyonce and FAMU coaches and become multi-millionaires. Parks & Crump become phony Civil Rights Superstars.

25. George Zimmerman saves a family of four from being trapped in overturned SUV before it catches on fire.

26. George Zimmerman remains in hiding while hundreds of thousands of Young Black Males vow to kill GZ in a violent assault if they ever get the opportunity.

Or something like that.


89 posted on 08/18/2013 4:56:50 AM PDT by CentristGuy
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To: donmeaker
I was relieved not to have fired. As authors John Lott and Gary Kleck have written, the majority of times a firearm is used for self protection, it is NOT fired. The mere presence of the firearm is enough to discourage a thug in 9 of 10 cases. In the 10th case, you'd best have a gun (and use it) to survive the encounter.
90 posted on 08/18/2013 5:09:11 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The criminal Trayvon committed felony assault and battery that would have resulted in the added charge of murder or attempted murder. The assault was a racially motivated hate crime committed by an urban thug steeped in the permissibility culture of the negro street criminalality


91 posted on 08/18/2013 5:17:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: MasterGunner01

I sure wish I could not have fired.


92 posted on 08/18/2013 11:47:12 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Something that's not considered by the idiots in the press and politicians who think CCW leads to Wild West shootouts — it doesn't happen. The people without a shred of conscience or mercy are street thugs who prey on the weak, very young, and elderly. That's because they are cowards. The decision to carry is a serious one and those who do understand they have the power of life and death.

Ex-cop, author, and self-defense instructor Massad Ayoob, who's been in a few life threatening experiences and shootouts, opined this (paraphrased): “The armed citizen with a weapon is able to deliver an instant death sentence on an armed criminal. This sentence is immediate, irrevocable, and is not subject to plea bargains and the manipulations of the legal system. In places where concealed carry is allowed, the thug always has this worry on his mind before he acts.”

The aftermath of a shooting is not like the stuff we see on TV and movies. There will be remorse (great or small) over the taking of another person's life (no matter how justified, human conditioning makes us this way).

The aftermath seems to drag on forever and involves the police and the legal system — both of which can have evil agendas. The first thing is make no statements to the cops without a good attorney present. You may or may not be arrested. You may be jailed and have to post a bond. It is all serious stuff depending on where you live.

93 posted on 08/19/2013 3:05:32 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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