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To: dennisw

Yea, that was another brilliant move by Obama. He could have, through diplomatic channels, maneuvered Snowden into a country where the US had some semblance of co-operation and better relations. Instead, Obama played chess like a checkers player, and the Russians won what was a chess match.

The Russians play a long game. Obama is used to western Europe and the US press bowing and kissing his feet. When the Russians and Putin didn’t give Obama the adoration to which he is accustomed, Obama didn’t know what to do. His refusal to meet with Putin recently looked like a petulant child refusing to do a chore. The Russians responded in a pitch-perfect way on the world stage, making the US (thanks to our current man-child POTUS) look like a child throwing a tantrum.

Even if Snowden gives the Russians nothing, I’m sure Putin is relishing causing Obama to gnash his teeth. The Russians are like that. They like to remind the US that they’re still a force to be reckoned with in little ways that embarrass and annoy.

This, BTW, was Reagan’s big win in this game: Reagan would say things that would wind up the Russians instead of the other way ‘round. The “I’ve outlawed the Soviet Union and we begin bombing in five minutes” quip during a mic check was classic. The Russians went ape, and Reagan smiled and said “Heh. Just joking.” And Reagan did it again and again and again in his public speaking. He never missed a chance to use humor to yank Ivan’s chain.

Today, no one wants to wind up the Russians, and because we’ve been afflicted with four administrations filled with Ivy League dipsticks who take the Russians Oh So Seriously, we’ve returned to the days of detente’ in the 70’s, where the Russians knew they could jerk our chain, and they did so nearly non-stop.


90 posted on 08/11/2013 10:32:32 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

I remember Reagan doing that... thanks for sharing real history.


110 posted on 08/12/2013 12:27:40 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: NVDave

My opinion is Obama wanted Snowden to end up in Russia where he would spill his guts eventually. No one defects to Russia without this taking place. So Obama made it impossible for Ed Snowden to obtain asylum in more civilized nations which were Snowdens first choices. Such as Iceland.

NSA honchos also wanted this outcome because this means higher demand from Congress for black budget billions to be spent on services of their favored contractor buddies. IOW follow the money with the NSA. NSA is contractor driven and also driven by the bureaucratic empire builders within NSA.

****** Money money money means that so of course you want to expand to spying on and storing all electronic communications in America and that cross through America. In America where compliant corporations allow NSA to install a fiber optic cable taps


126 posted on 08/12/2013 5:05:59 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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