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To: NVDave
"So in the big picture of things, I seriously doubt that Snowden, even if he has turned over whatever he has to the Russians, it isn’t all that damaging to the US from the Russians’ perspective

Whew, I feel much better now knowing Snowden gave up his citizenship, family and fortune (as one of your fellow cowardice traitors stated) for basically nothing. Really? You can't be that stupid. I'm thinking you guys are Russian, you gotta be. Right?

84 posted on 08/11/2013 9:55:35 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd

How come Obama prevented (blocked via pressure) Snowden from obtaining asylum everywhere else? So in the end Russia was the only place to go?

Think! This requires some brain cells.


86 posted on 08/11/2013 10:04:15 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: blaquebyrd

No, I just know how inept our national security system has been in the last, oh, 20 years. Once the Cold War was over (during which, I held a security clearance and we took Russian/Soviet spying quite seriously), it seemed that Washington DC quit thinking strategically and allowed critical industries to start hiring foreign nationals.

Once that happened, the cat was out of the bag forever. For example, cisco off-shored their software bug-fixing, which involved giving the Indians (dot, not feather) access to the IOS source code. Within only a few months, we had positive, verified evidence that the Communist Chinese had the IOS source code and were reverse-engineering it. We also heard from hackers who tipped us off to the Chinese source code theft that the Russians had IOS as well, and were using it to load their version of our code into routers here and there, which sent data back to Russian servers as they wished.

Microsoft’s source code has been stolen by the Russians. Oracle’s code as well.

During the 80’s, even selling a computer to the Russians was a Big Friggin’ Deal, and punishable by felony judgements. Today? Pfah. Sell the Russians as much iron as they want to buy. Same for the Chinese. Thanks to the outpouring of our national engineering treasure to the Chinese, they’re stealing our economy out from underneath us as we wonder why our economy won’t create jobs any longer.

I remember the Cold War and worked in the defense sector. I remember what real security was like. We turned our back on real security the day we started down the road to “free trade.”


87 posted on 08/11/2013 10:21:44 PM PDT by NVDave
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