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Why can’t we talk about IQ?
Politico ^ | August 9, 2013 | Jason Richwine

Posted on 08/09/2013 3:06:33 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: PapaBear3625
It is an article of faith among marxists/leftists that Man is malleable and perfectible, the notion first being promoted by 18th Century precursors of Marx, like Rousseau, Saint-Simon, Hegel, and others. If people are malleable and perfectible, then the only reason why they are not currently perfect is because of an imperfect environment. If the environment is made "perfect", though the action of the State, then a society of perfect people will result.

You have put the Jacobin/Marxist/Bolshevik/Nazi day dream in the most favorable light, even though you obviously recognize that it is a false premise for political or social direction. But, in doing so, you give it more respectability, than it actually deserves. The reason people persist in a notion that has been endlessly disproven in the terrible results from policy formulated on that premise, is emotional not rational.

No one who has ever sat in a classroom can really believe--at least in their sub-conscious--in the possibility of equal mental aptitudes. We need to understand the compulsive--that is, neurotic drive--behind the frenzy to pursue equality in a world where there is no equality of potential--why Leftists never learn from the common experiences of mankind. (See Compassion Or Compulsion?)

Why is this important? Because it helps us understand that we are not fighting altruists or idealists, for the most part; but something very different.

William Flax

201 posted on 08/14/2013 11:22:03 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ek_hornbeck

See my comment #201, with respect to the same quotation.


202 posted on 08/14/2013 11:24:46 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
You have put the Jacobin/Marxist/Bolshevik/Nazi day dream in the most favorable light, even though you obviously recognize that it is a false premise for political or social direction.

Yes, the whole point of the "egalitarianism" movement is to expend ever-increasing amounts of money on it, and amass ever-increasing amounts of power in order to promote egalitarianism. The real objective, as you note, is actually to be able to skim money and wield power.

Your mention of the Jacobins got me thinking. From the Wiki entry:

The Jacobins assumed more and more power during the spring of 1793, with the support of the Parisian mob, which overawed the Convention, culminating in a coup at the end of May. They were to hold power until the summer of 1794, and they repeatedly purged the Convention of those they held disloyal to the Republic, ending with a widespread program of execution, the Reign of Terror in their last months. Robespierre, generally the spokesman for the successful faction, had great esteem for his reputation as "the sea-green incorruptible", and set up the slogan of the Republic of Virtue, until the Jacobins' last purge, 9 Thermidor, 27 July 1794. Although some eye-witnesses said Robespierre was shot by a soldier, some historians state he attempted suicide; in any event, his lower jaw was shattered. He was executed the next day on Thermidor 10, 28 July 1794.[7]

The Jacobin club, its leadership having been decimated with Robespierre's execution, was disbanded 12 November 1794. The Jacobins' overwhelming power rested on a very slender material basis. Some[who?] compared the club's autocracy to that of the Inquisition, with its system of espionage and denunciations which no one was too illustrious or too humble to escape. The power of the Jacobins was frequently felt through their influence with the Parisian underclass—the sans-culottes – who the Jacobins could reliably count on to support them, and to mass ominously in the streets and at the National Convention when a display of force was considered desirable. Yet it was reckoned by competent observers[who?] that, at the height of the Terror, the Jacobins themselves could not command a force of more than 3000 men in Paris. A primary reason for their influence, or strength, was that, in the midst of the general disorganization in revolutionary Paris and in the provinces, they alone were organised. The police agent Dutard, in a report to the minister Garat (30 April 1793), describing an episode in the Palais Egalité (Royal), adds: "Why did a dozen Jacobins strike terror into two or three hundred aristocrats? It is that the former have a rallying-point and that the latter have none".[citation needed]

I'm thinking that the end-game of Obama's Chicago Mob is to create a crisis at some point in the future, which could be used to trigger a "French Revolution"-type event.

For such to occur, they would have to eradicate any nuclei of organization (like the Tea Party groups, FR, etc) which could serve as oppositional rallying points, and to disarm the middle-class so as to render them helpless against underclass mobs.

203 posted on 08/14/2013 1:19:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
For such to occur, they would have to eradicate any nuclei of organization (like the Tea Party groups, FR, etc) which could serve as oppositional rallying points, and to disarm the middle-class so as to render them helpless against underclass mobs.

That's why gun control is a key issue for the liberal elites. It isn't about creating a society without firearms (you don't hear Obama and Biden telling the ATF to lighten their arsenal). It's about creating a society where the law abiding middle class is disarmed while government goons and their criminal underclass clients remain armed to the teeth.

204 posted on 08/14/2013 2:50:13 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: exDemMom
I seriously question the placement of China and Mongolia among countries with the highest average IQ score. I suspect that there is some misinformation involved, because the government of China has a strong interest in presenting a good public image.

Does China's influence extend to fudging the IQ scores of Asian-American children, who score higher than whites? Are malnutrition levels among American blacks worse than the Vietnamese peasants who came here from the rice paddies of SouthEast Asia as children and became valedictorians?

205 posted on 08/14/2013 4:26:43 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
One quick comment on your highlighted note that the Jacobins did not number more than 3000 actual activists in Paris. This is not that insignificant.

While the Bolsheviks numbered 40,000 at the time of the November Revolution, experts estimate that 18 months before, they only numbered 10,000. The four fold expansion was in a collapsing Russian Empire.

You are entirely correct as to the tremendous importance of the Tea Parties & Free Republic, as a line of defense.

Cheers--in a very grim period in the lives of Americans, who still care.

William Flax

206 posted on 08/15/2013 7:55:24 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: PapaBear3625
Does China's influence extend to fudging the IQ scores of Asian-American children, who score higher than whites? Are malnutrition levels among American blacks worse than the Vietnamese peasants who came here from the rice paddies of SouthEast Asia as children and became valedictorians?

This reminds me of those who claim that black and hispanic underperformance in schools (and in the economy) is all due to white racism. You'd think that these same "racist whites" would also prevent Indian or Chinese kids from doing well in schools too, wouldn't you? The fact that other non-whites seem to do just fine tells us that the problem is with the black and hispanic students, not with prejudicial bias.

207 posted on 08/15/2013 9:03:30 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: reaganaut1
John Derbyshire (who was himself fired from National Review for talking about race and IQ) wrote an amusing commentary on Richwine's article here
208 posted on 08/15/2013 9:12:23 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: billhilly

We live in a culture where the left and the media fight for equality.”

Can you explain the redundancy?

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When it comes to the Left, they can never be sure.

Hence the redundancy.

Zombieland Rule “Double Tap”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmA2WYyw-_A


209 posted on 08/15/2013 3:32:40 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

The redundancy can be explained by the fact that the media is also the left. As to your assertion that they strive for equality seems vague at best.


210 posted on 08/16/2013 3:22:17 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly

To be clear, I thought the redundancy of the left and the media was clear.

The equality issue, is a relatively new phenomenon.

The Media/left, have been working very hard to “normalize” and “mainstream” the acceptance of both perversion and mediocrity.

“It’s not their fault if they are stupid”

The left and the media want to take away our calculators and give them to the lazy class.

Equality:

You make too much money ?

You must have taken it from someone.

You’re a smart guy ?

How dare you judge those that aren’t.

The media’s celebration and promotion of the ignorant, lazy, deviant and misguided has reached their pinnacle of relativism.

The left, the media, promote the “Uncertainty” of self.

It is a constant effort to destroy the individual, in an effort to promote the group.

Equality.


211 posted on 08/17/2013 12:53:21 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

though I’ve never looked for it, that graph makes things painfully obvious

the next question would be, how accurate is it?


212 posted on 07/23/2014 11:46:15 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Steely Tom

The Bell Curve....still a good read.

All one has to do is take a look at the history of science to see who contributed the most to our modern world and understanding of mathematics and the physical sciences.

Certainly Asians are driven by their families and culture to excel. But interestingly when you see second and third generation Asian students who weren’t raised by Tiger Moms they aren’t that much different than caucasian students.


213 posted on 07/24/2014 12:04:23 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: EEGator

most excellent


214 posted on 07/24/2014 12:05:48 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Sergio

That I agree with but I would add the caveat that said book cases must be full of books that are not just fluff travel books (though I enjoy those too). The truth is that those who learn to read and enjoy reading at an early age will do well in school even if they are not of superior IQ. Hard work and persistence pay off when studying.

My auntie (who was a rocket scientist) used to say that she would rather work with a C student than someone with straight As. Not because the A student wasn’t bright, but rather because they weren’t teachable. The A student thought they were bright and had all the answers. They had never failed. So when things didn’t go ‘according to plan’ they had no way to dig down and find root causes. The C student on the other hand had worked hard to understand the material and often came up with the one or two simple questions that enlightened everyone not because of the brilliance of the question but the very simplicity of it. In trying to understand the basics of the problem the C student would ask the key question because he was trying to understand the problem rather than trying to come up with some clever ‘solution’


215 posted on 07/24/2014 12:11:41 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: colorado tanker

” If someone actually gets a college degree you can assume they have the intelligence to do most jobs.”

Actually not. College is no longer a litmus test of intellect. They practically hand out degrees if you are there long enough and pay enough money. Toss in the various clapping for credit courses and you don’t have to actually do anything. Many courses are simply pass/fail and there is no requirement to even show up.


216 posted on 07/24/2014 3:56:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Nifster

Great insight, thanks for sharing. Your aunt sounds like a very interesting woman.


217 posted on 07/24/2014 1:28:45 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: sten

It’s undisputed. Just not PC to discuss. Or they say the tests are biased.


218 posted on 07/25/2014 6:35:28 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Sergio

That indeed she was. She was fortunate to work with a great group of rocketeers who loved what they did..... hypersonic flight. She wrote a technical note that was appended to one of the other papers entitled “Point return landings from the moon to the earth”. The year was 1959.....guess where they got the quick reference for equations when Apollo 13 happened???


219 posted on 07/25/2014 10:04:40 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Leaning Right

“what good would talking about it do? ... Unless I were hiring theoretical physicists, the candidate’s IQ score would be way down the list of things I looked at.”

Maybe if we talked about it, it wouldn’t be so low on your list.


220 posted on 07/25/2014 10:08:38 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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