“...there was little awareness of killing a person, the media talked in terms of nonviable tissue mass, growths, just tissue, the public did not see that abortion was actually killing a person, like they do today.”
Don’t project your own lack of understanding onto everyone else. Abortion was illegal for a reason. People were immediately mad about Roe, and it had nothing to do with suddenly realizing that babies died during abortions. Why would it have been illegal if people didn’t know what it was?
I don’t fight with social conservatives, I fight with you. It doesn’t have anything to do with social conservatism, it’s your lack of logic and incorrect factual assertions. You are not the embodiment of social conservatism. Check that ego, ansel12. I sometimes clash with (L)libertarians, too, and leftists all the time. You aren’t special, unfortunately. I actually agree with you on most of the issues, but your reasoning is just awful, your factual information is lacking, and you are a most unpleasant person as a result. The lying is the worst part. If somebody posted that reading John Wesley turned people into Zoroastrians, I would put that person in the same file as you. At least I know you probably won’t vote for a Democrat, so there’s that.
I get it, abortion is also not one of your concerns or at least stopping it isn’t.
As far as remembering the abortion discussions and coverage, pre-Roe, I remember them pretty well. I don’t know whether you do or not.
People also suckered for “health of the mother” back then because of the public’s nativity and innocence.
Today, rather than a distasteful medical procedure, we know that it is killing a baby.
As on all the social conservatism, you have made your attitude perfectly clear, although you stay veiled.
Here, here. I think that these arguments are terribly dishonest.
I have been here since the late 90s (though I can't remember my old screen name) because I am a conservative.. I detest abortion, attend church, send my kids to a very conservative christian school that folks in town might think of as "fundie factory". Yet these threads devolve into some of the most ridiculous arguments by people so hard-headed that we are all liberals? Good lord people, we are further right than you statists.
Ansel I'll tell you what happened. I woke up to what the Republican party has become. Aren't you in the exact same boat as me, and ticked at the GOP? Haven't you suggested as much? First off, what would be so hard about acknowledging that common ground? All of us here are likely disgruntled.
Here is the difference between you and I.
I consider people as passionate as you are about this stuff as being on my side, you just have a couple of issues that you find more important to focus upon. You on the other hand think those of us who are sick of endless wars, the police state, the TSA, the NSA, domestic drones, prism. etc. as being liberals.
Also, how hard is it for you to stop comparing any of us to the Libertarian party? You can't even do that for the sake of discussion? You've been asked repeatedly, and you refuse, are you afraid of something?