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To: dadfly

I’m struggling with that question too. Personally, I think that the growth of the state was mostly well-intentioned in the beginning. The Progressive Movement had plenty of Christians aboard, and they did mean to do good via government power. Though divorced from God (there are exceptions) modern liberals at least say they intend the same. They didn’t originally mean to drive God from our society, but that’s what happened. It just seems like the power corrupts the effort and the people making it.

The Founders certainly knew to be suspicious of centralized power, and what they wrought worked really well for a long time. Even they said it would only work for a moral people. We don’t have that anymore, and so we have a government that actually subsidizes immorality; it’s not even morally neutral. We pay girls to have babies out of wedlock, for instance, and do everything possible to keep people from having to live with the consequences of their actions. I have a hard time putting much faith in an institution that’s $17 trillion in debt, but can’t cut the cowboy poetry subsidy from its budget, or in a people that would elect a fraud like Obama. It seems like virtually everything has been rendered unto Caesar, so what’s left for God?


280 posted on 08/01/2013 11:42:10 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

yes. i’m reminded of the old saw: “the road to ...

you know. the leaders we had throughout the founding era from Bradford, Winthrop, on and on to Madison and Washington. i think we need some of those to coalesce around. we need representation. but how to morally get it? well, good night. we can’t stop. for sure God won’t let us do that as OneWingedShark puts so well.


283 posted on 08/01/2013 11:55:21 PM PDT by dadfly
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