Posted on 08/01/2013 9:28:50 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Rand, Cruz, Palin, Nugent, West...
I like them all.
Pick two. Appoint the rest to Cabinet level positions.
Conservative Republicans are fat, white and go to church on Sunday and drive a Cadillac.
You paint with such a broad brush there all of the time?
I can't find any changes in the libertarian platform that you claim drove you from your party, can you mention a couple for us?
Official National Party is repeal Roe, but leave the issue to the States after that.
As a philosophy, some of us see determining human life as being a scientific question to answer rather than a moral one.
“Is it human?”
If the answer is “yes”, then by definition killing that human is murder.
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Pinging this out because libertarians often - usually - almost always - are not just social liberals, but extremely hedonist/anarchist on social issues; albeit sometimes hiding behind the skirts of "states rights". Although some have finally admitted to me, when cornered, that the states also have no right to make any morality based laws. But most I've "debated" with use duplicity and slogan slinging as their main "debating" methods. Obviously the Rand Paul/libertarian stuff is going to be more and more in the news, and it sure would be nice if libertarians who claim not to agree with the moral and open borders/immigration issues of the Libertarian Party platform would clarify their real viewpoint. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would call themselves a libertarian if they don't agree with the LP platform...
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In my case it's not that I want to legalize drugs
, but that I believe the illegalization itself to be unlawful. Consider, first, the precedent of the 18th Amendment (Prohibition) — it was recognized that in order for the regulation/illegalization of alcohol [across the nation] a constitutional amendment was needed. Secondly, consider this: the current "regulation" is justified by the commerce-clause Wickard v. Filburn and GONZALES, ATTORNEY GENERAL, et al. v. RAICH et al.; both were decided as a matter of political expedience, the first because to rule the other way would have resulted in destruction of the then-prevalent Fascistic regulation/rule from DC — and the latter because to rule the otherwise would be to recognize that the federal-government was limited in its edicts.
IOW, the War on Drugs is little more than the unlawful imposition of Federal-will upon the citizens of the several states.
I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Abortion ends a life. I do not agree with that plank of the LP platform.
I agree with most of the republican platform, while despising other parts of it. I had nothing to do with that plank, as I was a registered republican and could not participate in the party shindigs. I will be working to change that in my new party.
You just described the conservative position, what you refuse to do, is respond to any post that points out what libertarianism is different on, for instance social issues.
We know why you refuse to discuss the differences on freerepublic.
This is the official libertarian platform position on abortion.
It means full blown, kill what you want, at anytime.
1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
By the way, that is the party platform that you used to support.
The brush I painted with is accurate. An thread posted here some time ago comes to mind, the gist of which: the majority of us libertarians are atheists, we can prove there is no God, God is falling out of favor nowadays, therefore, conservative Repubs need to come on over with us the atheist party.
For the same reason you can vote for McCain and Romney and still call yourself a conservative.
Philosophy is one thing. Political Parties are derived from, but rarely stick to, their principles.
That is the permanent abortion position of libertarianism so you won’t be changing it.
Do you support their homosexual position?
1.3 Personal Relationships
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships.
I had a window up saving a quote you had from some 1970s liberterian gal person opining that child pornography was okay. But yesterday my browser did something bad and I lost all my tabs. Do you know where that quote of yours can be found?
Thank you for that sensible post-I’ve espoused libertarian ideals in a libertarian leaning family since I was about 14. I do not know any libertarian who is not strongly pro-life, or who does not believe the USA should kick anyone’s ass who attempts to attack us. My husband, a libertarian was a career military officer-and not the only one with those leanings.
I think it is like stepping off a cliff for some to accept leaving issues like a civil contract being “marriage”, drugs-alcohol, etc to States and communities, and that is simply because the government has controlled it for several lifetimes. Everyone howls when regulating food, weight, child-rearing, etc is mentioned, but it is really logical for liberals to try it-after all, they control damn near everything else and no one raised a fuss about THAT.
I’m just to the right of Attila the Hun on fiscal issues and crime, but I am not comfortable with government legislating morals-we see what a slippery slope it has become, no matter whose ox is getting gored-now in this PC madness, we have homosexuals demanding we say they are normal, and little kids “choosing” genders-and the law saying we must allow it-which is insanity...
It is difficult to cowboy up and say that no one is your mommy, after living so long where the government claims that it is. By our silence and complicity, we have created our own padded cages.
Personally, I don’t do drugs, and I don’t believe I’m married unless it happens with a guy in front of a priest and God-but I absolutely do not believe in interfering in anyone’s personal habits-that is what the dreaded personal responsibility that liberals hate is for.
And someone’s faith-or the lack of it, is none of my business, so long as they are not being coercive, abusive or violent-that pretty much leaves out most muslims and some atheists, doesn’t it?
At the risk of being mean and intolerant, I wish more people would get over wanting someone to make life (their idea) of perfect, and instead pray to God, and take responsibility for their own actions. No person of faith and good moral character is going to be harmed by stepping out into responsibility and liberty.
Analogy doesn’t work. Sorry.
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