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To: Jeff Winston
Okay. So, according to you, the ONLY authorities on the question are those men who were either a) delegates to the Constitutional Convention, or b) members of ratifying legislatures. Correct?

The PRIMARY authorities are the lawmakers. They are made up of two groups of people (Convention Delegates, Ratifying Legislators.) with some overlap.

The SECONDARY authorities are those informed by them. This group would include people who were not members of either the Convention or a Ratifying legislature, but would include those people who communicated with them to the extent that the intentions of the Delegates was conveyed.

Others, with no direct connection to the delegates are simply repeating hearsay or espousing their own preferences.

Okay. Let's clarify your position. What do you claim is required in order for a person to be a natural born citizen?

In 1787, it required an American Father. The Wife was automatically the same allegiance as the husband. There was no such thing as "split" allegiance. The Father's allegiance determined the children's allegiance. Once again, I direct you to my tagline. "Partus -- Sequitur -- Patrem."

This is the default standard throughout human history.

475 posted on 08/01/2013 7:39:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Very simple to figure out if he would just start with what the FFs were trying to accomplish and be able to say to all of US about the one person with so much power, with only the eligibility requirement to start with, before leaving the rest up to we, the people:

Whether you love or hate that person, he or she is one of US. That's it. We have to start there.

Regardless of the word used, and obviously mistakes have been made past and present as JW's mega spam posts show, what is the FF's intent and purpose by what they chose to call "natural born citizen"?

Because to those in their world citizenship could potentially come from place of birth or from the Father or even the Mother, the only way we all agree that one person is one of US and no one else, is if they are born here to citizen parents at the time of their birth.

Pure as it gets that way and no one can argue or dispute it based upon the circumstances of their birth.

How much more easy, straight forward does it have to be?

Honestly, you have to try not to understand it, it is that simple.

But mix up the word natural or native? Whether accidentally or on purpose? Yep, looks like that has happened.

In fact, both have happened right here, right now.

On the national level, it looks like fraud and treason to me, just some hick in flyover country.

476 posted on 08/01/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: DiogenesLamp
In 1787, it required an American Father.

Okay. So we are at least agreed that the claim:

"'Natural born citizen' means 'born on US soil of two citizen parents'"

is hogwash.

478 posted on 08/01/2013 10:15:18 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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