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To: GBA
Total dodge!

Nope.

THERE IS NO POINT.

There is not a single quote from any Founder or Framer or any member of their generation that defines "natural born citizen" as "someone born on US soil AND having either two citizen parents, or a citizen father."

And in fact, EVERY SINGLE MAJOR EXPERT FROM THE EARLY UNITED STATES WHO SPOKE CLEARLY ON THE MATTER SAYS THAT BIRTHERS ARE FULL OF IT.

Every single one.

THAT is the point, my friend.

396 posted on 07/29/2013 6:39:24 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

The Framers in Article II distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”. The first Congress, many members of which were Framers, in the Naturalization Act of 1790 distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”.

The distinguishing characteristic was parental US citizenship.

Congress in the Naturalization Act of 1795, et seq, no longer made such a distinction and declared all persons naturalized to be “citizen”.

Are we to conclude that subsequent to 1795 there were no further “natural born citizens”?

Are we to conclude that other children born with parental US citizenship - those who were not “born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States”, those born within the United States - are “natural born citizens”?

Or are these other children born with parental US citizenship within the United States something other than “natural born citizens”? Why? Was it necessary that they be “born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States” to be “natural born citizens”?

Who are the post 1795 natural born citizens?

The reasonable conclusion is that those born within the United States with parental US citizenship are “natural born citizens”.


399 posted on 07/29/2013 6:45:31 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: Jeff Winston
You dodged because that's what you seem to do, rather than think your way through something. Others have called you on it, now, so have I. I might as well be blunt. The rest of your post to me is a lie, which is why I reminded you that there really isn't much time for that sort of thing.

Your quoting ability, selectively editing such as you do, has been well demonstrated and, if this truly is how you want to go out of this world, you might do well to send your resume to NBC.

After whatever Zimmerman's lawyer does to them, they may need someone like you to replace the ones they'll need to let go.

ABC might also need someone with your skill set for the same reasons.

They probably pay better than your current gig. You might was well live well for what's left of your short time here, right? What other options do you have?

401 posted on 07/29/2013 7:06:08 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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