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To: meadsjn
why the heck would they ever hire another illiterate, counter-productive American over a foreign coder who will at least try to read, write, and speak English, and work as part of a team.

I don't know. A lot of companies have discovered in recent years, that just because certain nationalities say "yes' to any question you ask of them, it doesn't mean that they have any idea how to do what was asked of them, or even the words coming out of your mouth. They'll say "yeah, yeah" all day long, yet comprehend nothing.

Of course, the "cheap" code they produced for you doesn't have any great relationship to what was requested of them, but that's OK, because it can always be rewritten, because it was cheap.

 

68 posted on 07/26/2013 8:47:41 PM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: zeugma
I detest that ANY IT work is being out-sourced or off-shored, or that ANY foreign IT people are being imported under the pretense of doing IT work of any kind -- especially when millions of educated Americans with engineering and computer science degrees are unemployed or underemployed.

It is sad that American coders laugh at any attempts to educate them about concepts, systems, processes, methods, or whatever else that has been industry standard for twenty or thirty years, while they continue to build in their own job security with crap coding that is cheaper to replace than maintain. Same, same with American DBAs who are clueless about the purpose of a DB system. Same with PC techs, IT security, sys admins, etc., etc., even IT managers all the way up the food chain. Arrogant Americans, bragging about their own ignorance, and back-stabbing anyone who bothered to invest in a few years of education to qualify themselves to enter their field.

Right now, our company is spending $100 million on a system being built by an Indian firm that will likely put many of us on the streets. Yes, there's a lot of grumbling and worrying.

We have quite a few very competitive coders among our American staff, most with around three decades experience, but most refuse to acknowledge that any advances have occurred in the IT field since COBOL and VSAM hit the market. Most of them have never been on an application project team from start to finish, through every phase of the project, participating in every phase, as educated professionals should have done. They know how to compete; but they don't have a clue how to cooperate to conceive, design, build, and launch a system that will be worth more than it costs to maintain.

They have 20 to 30 years experience coding; entry-level, jack-leg coding; but they have and want the job titles and pay of educated IT professionals, and most won't even pretend to learn about newer technologies and methods. Even with company reimbursement, they refuse to get an education to qualify themselves for their current positions.

If the Apollo program had been plagued with this mindset, every single launch would have ended in the gulf stream, if they could even have gotten off the ground.

69 posted on 07/26/2013 11:45:40 PM PDT by meadsjn
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