Posted on 07/23/2013 10:58:05 AM PDT by rwa265
It was just supposed to be a pit stop.
A group of family and friends on an annual float trip stopped at a gravel bar in the Meramec on Saturday afternoon to refresh drinks and answer the call of nature, according to Loretta Dart, who was on the trip. Her cousin went into the woods to urinate.
In doing so, he apparently ignited the ire of a property owner along the river fed up with people traipsing on his property. James Robert Crocker, 59, confronted the group with a 9 mm handgun, and in an altercation over property rights that rapidly escalated to gunfire, fatally shot Darts husband in the head from a few feet away, authorities say.
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Huh? Honestly, if you have a response, fine. Instead ít appears you have no substantive response available. However, if you want to make a real argument that I misunderstood the data presented, go ahead, make that argument. I make no claim of infallibility. I gathered the nature of Dart’s contact from his wife’s description, and that is exactly how I understood his contact, like I myself have done, reaching out to an angry individual by touching their shoulder or upper arm. It’s a basic, almost reflexive form of communication. If you have information that picks up something different about it, I missed it. I am sure the jury in any trial of Mr Crocker will have access to better information and will thoroughly explore the possibilities.
Merde Natures way of telling you not to touch
LOL, I can see you as the guy down at the river popping caps and raging and being unable to handle weekend rafters without killing someone, unable to handle a weekend middle class situation or control yourself, I described guys like you in post 155.
Just shows how severely limited your intellect is.
Heh, I rest my case.
That was more or less hypothetical as the only flowing water on my property is when the snow melts. I do have an easements along the frontage for a county highway and another along the back of my lot for a private road that is in fact the only access for three more houses behind my lot. I did some digging and I pay property tax on both easements. The county road bites as it is over 300 feet long and 24 feet wide! The private road is half that in area and the three home owners are responsible for upkeep so it's not such a bad deal as it also gives me access to the back yard for trucks and such.
Regards,
GtG
PS Even with all the nibbling along the edges my lot is about 2 acres.
I don’t think that the shooting occurred on the gravel bar. The men left to urinate in the woods on private property. That’s why the argument wasn’t in front of everyone. I am certainly not defending the guy, but I have seen signs in Arizona that say, Trespassers will be shot.
While the family member may have trespassed initially, pictures of the scene and what is described in the story lead me to believe the shooting took place where floaters have a right to be.
It will be a fascinating case to follow. Floaters bring millions of dollars into counties that have become dependent on the tax revenue. While land owners may share the shooters irritation with the trespassers, they will consider the revenue that floaters bring in. Funds that finance their schools, their fire protection and their roads.
On Monday afternoon, empty medical supply packets lay next to the bloody spot on the gravel bank where first responders treated Dart. Police tape fluttered from the Keep Out sign that Crocker had planted in the gravel.
The pictures I have seen of the keep out sign appeared to me to be in the river’s gravel bar.
You’re offering false circumstances. (a strawman)
He shot before anyone did anything.
He deserves the sentence he’s going to get, and more.
When you buy riparian lands, you have an obligation to learn riparian laws that affect that land.
Everything happened on the gravel bar.
thank you mr alinsky. That's exactly what YOU'RE doing.
Will you ever tire of trolling for support of malefactors?
Will you ever develop intellectual honesty?
Intellectual honesty is what forces me to recognize you for the troll you have chosen to be.
Ever the guardian of the criminal.
Yes absolutely You might have forgotten or just don't care that the ACCUSED is not a CRIMINAL until tried and found guilty by a jury of his peers. NOTE: Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Entitled to trial by jury of peers. Standard of "reasonable" doubt. Concepts that you are apparently not happy with. Whereas "rush to judgment" is something that you, Michael Nifong, Angela Corey all approve of.
I think you would have been happier during the French Revolution - j'accuse whomever and off to the guillotine.
No, you’re confused.
A criminal becomes a criminal when he commits a crime; and a convict when he is found guilty.
Are the Clintons not criminals?
Ayers?
Obama?
That would be IF he's found guilty. If he's NOT found guilty, then he isn't a criminal. You remind me of the mouthy demonstrators still screaming about Zimmerman.
You really don’t comprehend the whole concept of the US criminal justice system and the philosophy behind it. Do you think Zimmerman is a criminal? 0bama is a narcissist, a tyrant, a liar, a racist, a hate monger, a far worse threat to freedom than any number of al quaeda terrorists, but sadly not a criminal.
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