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To: kimtom; All

The Steady-State theory has been shredded. The universe has not always existed.

Multiple cosmologists (like Avi Loeb at Harvard Univerity) say that the universe had a beginning and will come to an end.

Now, as to that beginning:

1.) did the universe come from prexisting matter, and if so where did that pre-existing matter come from and so on- thus leading us down the road of using a logical fallacy known as Infinite Regression.

2.) If the universe did come from nothing, how can that be proven?

Observe...test...then confirm.

How can you observe nothing if the universe came from nothing? If you can’t observe nothing, how then can it be tested? If it can’t be tested, what then can be confirmed?

What happens ultimately to the scientific method?


3 posted on 07/18/2013 10:42:45 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“.. can you observe nothing if the universe ..”

agreed


6 posted on 07/18/2013 10:45:21 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Regarding the whole something from nothing issue, I thought the latest ideas were that “empty” space is constantly creating and destroying matter and anti matter from “nothing”.

Am I mistaken?

Also my only take away from the article is that scientists do not know what the universe is or where it came from.

It always seemed obvious to me that just because we can only observe this universe, that does not mean it is the “universe” meaning everything. There could be countless big bang universes all around ours. Or one bigger creation by God.

They just don’t know.


13 posted on 07/18/2013 10:47:49 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Finite minds are incapable of understanding many infinite realities, at least on this earthly plane. As even the questions take your breath away, the answers must be mind-blowing.
15 posted on 07/18/2013 10:48:14 AM PDT by JPG (Obama Does Egypt.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Multiple cosmologists (like Avi Loeb at Harvard Univerity) say that the universe had a beginning and will come to an end.


And I’ve been to the restaurants at both. ;-)


23 posted on 07/18/2013 10:51:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“What happens ultimately to the scientific method?”

It’s as dead as the constitution, its all
scientific consensus now. No facts or proof needed,
just a bunch of ignorant jacka$$es with PhD’s who
agree. To them even honorary PhD’s count.


30 posted on 07/18/2013 10:53:57 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What happens ultimately to the scientific method?

When one speaks of something outside of Physics(the physical Universe) one HAS to use a different science: Metaphysics.

Yet scientists CAN postulate that there was an UN-caused Cause (God) simply because every effect...including the singularity that became the Big Bang, needs a cause; but many refuse.

42 posted on 07/18/2013 11:00:00 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The steady state theory may have been shredded, however that does not necessarily mean the universe has always existed. Maybe it's the "big oscillation" rather than the "big bang" ... and for a split second every 100 billion years or so everybody in the universe gets to wave at each other as we "meet in the middle"???

Stranger things have happened! (Well, in this case actually they haven't! :O )

64 posted on 07/18/2013 11:23:46 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What happens ultimately to the scientific method?

When Science disproves your religion, you invent a Science that needs no proving, only speculation and faith. That Science is called oddly enough Quantum Mechanics.

I say oddly as Quantum is a measurable vector, and Mechanics is the interaction of a defined set of existing physical objects. Neither of which apply to Quantum Mechanics. The very definition of Quantum Mechanics is an Oxy-Moron.

Fitting for a religion FOR morons.

115 posted on 07/18/2013 12:11:52 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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