Posted on 07/13/2013 3:17:06 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
(CNN) -- After more than 12 hours of deliberation, the six women deliberating George Zimmerman's fate asked the court Saturday evening for clarification on the instructions regarding manslaughter, the judge said.
That couldn't have even been a question a few days ago: Judge Debra Nelson ruled Thursday, over the defense's vehement objection, to include manslaughter as an option for jurors, in addition to the second-degree murder charge. Their third option would be to find Zimmerman not guilty.
The question -- which was read out in court, without the jurors present, shortly before 6 p.m. -- was the first posed by the jury since late Friday afternoon, when they requested an inventory of evidence. Afterward, lawyers from both sides approached Nelson's bench; their comments could not be heard.
How long other juries deliberated for in other high-profile cases One of 1,009 fatal shootings in Florida in 2012, Trayvon Martin's death stood out -- the various threads of the story helping to capture the public imagination.
There was, for instance, the fact that an adult had fired on an unarmed teen, soon after police told him not to follow the 17-year-old. And there was the accusation of racial profiling: that Zimmerman -- the son of a Peruvian mother and a white American father, who identifies as Hispanic -- had singled out Martin, at least in part, because the teenager was black.
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“I was troubled as to why Trayvon did not have any of Zimmerman’s blood on his hands.”
The lack of George Zimmerman’s blood on Trayvon Martin’s hands or clothes tends to corroborate George Zimmerman’s stateements, because such lack of blood would then be expected. The first punhc on George Zimmerman’s nose could have splattereed some blood onto Trayvon Martin, if the punch broke the blood vessels inside the nose thoroughly enough to immediately spatter outside the nose. Then gravity would takeover and some of the blood could have fallen out and onto Trayvon Martin. After the first blow on George Zimmerman’s nose, however, George said he was knocked to the ground. Once Georgge Zimmerman was lying on his back, the bllod flowing from the broken blood vessels would be trying to clot, and any unclotted blood would be running into the back of George’s throat and windpipe. This blood could have dangeerrously choked his ability to breathe.
Most of the other sources of blood were coming from lacerations caused by impacts with the concrete sideewalk. Trayvon Martin’s fists or open hands would be ulikely to have come into contact with these lacerations and the blood flowing from them. What little blood that could have been in contact with Trayvon Martin’s hands would very likely have been removed by contact with George Zimmerman’s wet clothing and the wet grass they were sliding around upon as Georgee tried to shrimp around to escape from Trayvon Martin’s straddle and pinning to the grund.
Furthernore, Travon Martin’s body and hands were exposed to the rain for enough time to allow the rainwater to dissolve away small amounts of blood. Even though Trayvon Martin’s hands were discovered to be clutched over his destroyeed heart, the Medical Examiner reported a lack of bloodd on the hands, including a lack of Trayvon Martin’s own blood. So, we know something was responsible for removing Trayvon Martin’s own blood, and it must therefore have been capable of removing what little if any of George Zimmerman’s blood as well.
Bottomline, the lack of blood is consisteent with the fact blood has a difficult time flowing upwards against the force of gravity in the absence of a force to propell it upwards to a Trayvon Martin positioned over the top of a bleeding George Zimmerman.
If he’s convicted it means one thing and one thing only.
MoM wasted his time trying to explain reasonable doubt and evidence to these six women. No one way in 40 hells Zimmerman should be found guilty of anything. Case closed.
It still was not your neighborhood, nor your PD, and Z was going to the store when he observed a type of person he had called in on in the past. He was carrying lawfully. Wise or not, he did notseek nor invite contact. If.If.If.If. doesn’t count.
“We don’t need to you do that, sir.”
Not an instruction. More like advice.
Actually, he testified as a witness saying something to the extent they are required to make such a statemet to avoid being responsible for the consequences of asking a civilian to take a certain action, and not just following a person to observe their conduct.
Io capisco.
I carry concealed all the time. While so armed, I am vigilant and extra aware of my surroundings.. I am very polite and non-confrontational when interacting with other people. This is how I avoid bad situations. If such a situation was brought to me despite all these precautions, I could deal with it.
The smartest thing for Zimmerman to do was to have avoided a possible confrontation with the “suspicious-looking” person by not getting out of the car. When he got out of the car, the risk of a confrontation was, in my opinion, unnecessarily increased. He would have done a greater service to the community and to himself by staying in the car. He did not have to get out of the car where he was armed just the same. If TM had attacked Z in his car, less likely than attacking him outside the car, Z would have had a better tactical position and a stronger legal position.
Just to reiterate what I said earlier:
GZ did nothing illegal.
He did not provoke the fight.
He used justified self-defense.
My only disagreement is that he should have stayed in the car and this whole event would have ended a lot better for him and the community of Sanford.
It’s unreal. The defense did a magnificant job, and the prosecution did one of the lousiest jobs imaginable. But it still looks like Zimmerman is off to prison.
It not at all. Man, I hate to think that Z must offered up(jailed for a long time) to appease a certain segment of a certain race. Sucks I thought we as a nation had gotten past race as much as I thought.Guess not. Not enough of them on our side.
That is right, the law of unintended consequences is what screwed Z, helped by no good race baiters and the like.
GZ did not witness a crime taking place. He saw Martin acting “suspiciously”. If any of my neighbors saw a crime taking place, especially a home invasion, I would expect a lot of guns and people to appear very shortly. This is different from somebody looking “suspicious”. GZ may be a fine man, but getting out of the car in this situation was not necessary and caused him a lot of problems. I hope that he is acquitted and never has got through that experience again.
Obviously never worked in an Office environment dominated by Females.
Some of them could cut out your heart, take a bite out of it and put it back in before you had time to blink.
FWIW, it was a chick who said it.
I agree with everything you say *except* that Zimmerman was trying to find out where TM was going. A hooded figure who fit the description of numerous thugs who had been terrorizing his neighborhood and who he had no idea belonged there. Despite the media’s lies, no police officer told him ‘not to follow’ TM but rather, a dispatcher said, ‘we don’t need you to do that’ , even though he just asked George for an address.
JURY just said, “Not Guilty”. I am shocked, but believe the verdict is the correct one. Now, it’s community watch time.
Glad that Zimmerman was found not guilty.
VERDICT: NOT GUILTY
Yes. Agreed!
The ME even said that if he didn't visually see anything amiss, no tests were conducted. He did not spend a lot of time with his autopsies.
How many times did he say something was not his job and that he had "on confidence" with the people he supervised...
Al Sharpton just said they will now file civil rights charges against Zimmerman.
Except for "creepy ass cracker" maybe.
Thankfully, the jurors were not influenced by the “conventional wisdom” and displayed the courage to decide on the merits...
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