State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Self-defense is not a crime: VERDICT WATCH.

annettekblog.wordpress ^ | July 12, 2013 | annettek

[Uncle Chip]

I pray for a fair and just verdict. My support and thoughts go out to the Zimmerman family and the defense team as we wait.

Links to Live Streams (Thanks Carole):

WAT~ http://wildabouttrial.com/trial_videos/watch-the-george-zimmerman-hearing-live/

Local WFTV~ http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream//

Click Orlando~ http://www.clickorlando.com/news/-/1637132/19533480/-/fm5b93z/-/index.html

[txrangerette]

Even if the flake thought so, those elements don’t equal to manslaughter. They equal being on neighborhood watch and legally carrying a concealed weapon. Not to manslaughter. The law is clear enough on that.

In manslaughter there has to be an act of intent that inevitably led to the death, whether or not the perp realized it would ultimately lead there but is clearly reckless in nature and led ultimately to the death.

But as has been instructed, if at any point in this scenario Zimmerman shot Trayvon because of reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury, that takes manslaughter off the table. And that was already given to the jury in the original instructions.

There might be a deliberately DENSE juror who wants to believe Z carrying, watching, following to see where T went etc are reckless acts inevitably leading to the death. But that is simply not true either on facts or the law.

All T had to do was go home and go inside. He got into an altercation and didn’t have to. There is eyewitness testimony to that and that Z was yelling for help and on the bottom being pummeled by T.

Even if you don’t accept Z’s account of how it started, it ended that way and that’s where self defense comes in.

Also, as stated, a “gone home Trayvon” would have never gotten into or provoked the confrontation.

[Toespi]

Mantel up with case law about read back rules.

[novemberslady]

a suspicion, nobody wants a Sat Nite verdict!

I don't blame them

[Uncle Chip]

yep — that’s the way I see it

[viaveritasvita]

Dear George,

Pay no attention to Americas.best.days! Remain hopeful. Stay strong.

When I’m afraid, I like to listen to this song. So, this is for you, George. Keep the faith. The G-d of angel armies is always by our side!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzIABaImiK4

You hear me when I call
You are my morning song
Though darkness fills the night
It cannot hide the light
Whom shall I fear

You crush the enemy
Underneath my feet
You are my sword and shield
Though trouble linger still
Whom shall I fear

Chorus:
I know who goes before me
I know who stands behind
The God of angel armies is always by my side
The One who reigns forever
He is a friend of mine
The God of angel armies is always by my side

My strength is in Your name
For You alone can save
You will deliver me
Yours is the victory
Whom shall I fear
Whom shall I fear

Bridge:
And nothing formed against me shall stand
You hold the whole world in Your hands
I’m holding on to Your promises
You are faithful
You are faithful

[xzins]

What did the prosecution prove?

Let’s say that we set a low standard for proof and decide that proof will be accepted that has a certainty of only 95%.

Did BDLR and crew prove anything by that low standard?

The didn’t need to prove that Zimmerman pulled the trigger. He admitted to that.

So, what did they prove?

[House Atreides]

I like Diana Tennis, I follow her on twitter..she knows what she is talking about..same goes for Judge Alex
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Yep, they are among the VERY few who haven’t revealed themselves to be complete ignoramuses and idiots.

[Toespi]

Interesting. Mantel basically argued against general read back suggested they go back and figure it out. (Paraphrased)

[Theodore R.]

It doesn’t matter whether the jurors understand the intricacies of manslaughter and negligence, etc., they are seeking a pound of flesh in the easiest way they can to appease the mobs.

[shalom aleichem]

Jurors miss certain passages. Modern courts usually supply a printed out copy of the whole Charge to go back with the jury

[cdcdawg]

If they are doing what they are supposed to be doing, then they shouldn’t even get to the self-defense argument until such time as they have satisfied all of the elements of Murder or Manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt. If you don’t have the basis for the charge to begin with, the defense is irrelevant. Of course they could completely ignore all of that, and do whatever they want.

[PapaBear3625]

They’re back on

[yellowdoghunter]

Great song....

[viaveritasvita]

{{{smooch!}}} You’re a doll!

[evangmlw]

The Judge could not remember the specific question.

[Toespi]

Mom seemed more interested in giving answer to jury. (Speculation)

[sheikdetailfeather]

I could see this judge taking Janet Napolitano’s place.

[NautiNurse]

Once again, Judge TOOL interrupts the defense (MOM), then claims she left the jury question in her chambers. 2nd interruption of the defense. Judge is insisting that the state and defense work together to arrive at an agreeable answer for the jury.

[Jeff Chandler]

Mantel basically argued against general read back suggested they go back and figure it out.

He wants them confused.

[PapaBear3625]

Lawyers are going to work on the wording of the answer.