City Council to rein in the NYPD's use of stop and frisk (neutering police - no profiling)

NY Post ^ | 7/12/2013

[Altura Ct.]

Defying Mayor Bloomberg and his top cop, Raymond Kelly, the City Council passed two bills Thursday morning to rein in the NYPD’s use of stop and frisk.

The Council voted with veto-proof majorities for the bills to create an inspector general who will oversee the NYPD and to allow people to sue over racial profiling by cops.

The inspector general bill passed 40-11, and the racial-profiling bill by 34-17 -- getting exactly the number of votes needed to withstand Bloomberg’s expected veto. The votes came in a dramatic session that started late Wednesday and spilled into Thursday, and saw supporters and opponents of the bills passionately staking out their positions.

“There have been a lot of bald-faced lies told about this bill,” said Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn), in a speech urging lawmakers who have never experienced being black, Latino, gay, Muslim or in another profiled group to “please listen to us.”

“We can have safety and can have police accountability at the exact same time,” he said. “If you don’t live there, if you haven’t been going through it ... please side with us.” Councilman Donovan Richards (D-Queens) recalled being stopped and frisked as a teen, which he said “dehumanized” him. “I was scared," he said. "Today I’m not scared ... I have a chance to do something about it.” Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens) said the bill “will give every person subject to any police policy an automatic right to sue without any allegation of wrongdoing.”

“It will achieve the ultimate goal of this bill, to put judges in charge of the NYPD,” he said. “When the courts are in charge, we will become Chicago, we will become Detroit. Crime will soar, murder will rise, children will die.”

And Councilman Eric Ulrich (R-Queens) denounced the bills as “an outrage.”

[Paladin2]

No different from the Border Patrol or the military in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[doc1019]

Amen!

[Vince Ferrer]

I'm all for this.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

- Forth amendment to the Constitution

[varyouga]

I don’t give a damn if it “neuters” police to get rid of “stop n frisk”

NOBODY has the right to detain and put their hands on me if I did nothing illegal. I don’t care if I look like the biggest thug in the world.

It’s a blatant example of giving up everyone’s freedom for supposed “safety”. If the idiots keep doing this, a day will come when government itself is a danger to our safety. What then?

[Vendome]

FK them.

4th amendment...

They don’t have supra rights to search anyone at will.

[TeachableMoment]

Stop and frisk is tyranny, regardless of any racial component. The idea that anyone, especially those who claim to love freedom, would be ok with the police systematically stopping people on the street and searching them, is sickening.

[Secret Agent Man]

yes but if profiling is based on common sense and crime statistics, it isn’t unreasonable. It is based in common sense reasoning.

zero tolerance policies (ie no profiling) is why tsa doesn’t bother muslim travelers but strip searches 5 year olds away from parents, and pat down nuns’ breasts, and removes grandpa’s artificial leg to check for explosives.

[deadrock]

But keep firing at dogs at will.

[ConorMacNessa]

God help us! I used to joke that the inmates were in charge of the asylum.

Reality is much worse. Those who are putatively charged to protect the common citizen are now being mandated to assist the criminal element in its depredations against the law-abiding populace.

In the City of Baltimore, Maryland, it was recently learned that the prison guards were complicit in, if not sponsoring, all manner of outrages by the inmate population. The inmates are not just in charge of the asylum, they are in charge of the Nation!

It's not about "profiling!" It's not about "race" - it's not about "ethnicity!" Those are the canards tossed out by the Left to distract from the actual question.

It's about our way of life, our Freedoms, and what's left of Western Civilization.

FREEDOM!!!



"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[Ray76]

Profiling, ie fitting the description of the perp.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

I hope that crime in New York shoots right throught he stratosphere. This is the New York City Democrat’s equivalent to “sequestration”, “furloughs”, and “reparations”.

You can’t fix STUPID but you can elect them to the City Council.

Way to go New York. You’re trying to beat out Chicago, Baltimore, E. St. Louis and Detroit as the crime capitals of America, and you just might succeed.

What a bunch of fucking leftist nuts!

Won’t be back to visit unless packin’. Fortunately my retired NYPD host does.

[sickoflibs]

I love this from a Dem:

Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens) said the bill “will give every person subject to any police policy an automatic right to sue without any allegation of wrongdoing.”
“It will achieve the ultimate goal of this bill, to put judges in charge of the NYPD,” he said. “When the courts are in charge, we will become Chicago, we will become Detroit. Crime will soar, murder will rise, children will die.”

Besides, with the new NY gun laws wtf are they frisking for anyways?
Crime has been repealed in NY.
Hell, didnt you see that guy was arrested in NYC for having an air gun that shot plastic pellets?

FU Bloomberg.

[christx30]

So if you’re just walking down the street and a cop decides that it’s your turn, you’re cool with him frisking you just because? Even though you aren’t committing a crime?
Cops have too much power. They certainly don’t need more. Glad the New York city council is doing this.

[jwalsh07]

Stop and frisk is fascist bs.

[sargon]

Stop and frisk is fascist bs.

I wholeheartedly agree. It's a Search. Not without Probable Cause.

[varyouga]

Profiling and searching people boarding a public aircraft in a secured area with tons of cameras is one thing.

Giving cops the authority to detain and search anyone in the street at will is a whole other animal.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

“Stop and frisk” is the most effective way of getting illegal weapons, mainly guns, off the streets of a crime-ridden city.

It does involve an involuntary surrender of 4th Amendment rights but a “crime emergency” situation, as declared by a city government, can allow this to take place (remember the old concept of “the public good”?)

Check how many weapons were removed from NY City’s streets over the past years when “stop and frisk” was policy. Then translate them into how many lives were saved, how many criminals were caught and jailed, how the streets became safer for honest citizens.

What is needed is a publicly explained policy on S&F and reasonable laws on putting that policy into effect without creating a police state.

It is a hard line to walk but it can be done. Otherwise, you can continue to stack up the bodies as they are doing in Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, and Chicago, with a lot of children among them.

Your choice. I’m going with S&F to save lives.

[sargon]

Yes but if profiling is based on common sense and crime statistics, it isn’t unreasonable.

It pretty much is Unreasonable, and should be considered so, in general.

Profiling is a distasteful tool which is ripe for abuse and should only be considered rarely, in extreme circumstances, say, maybe, for example, if one specific ideological group professes and/or acts on beliefs which are, say, antithetical to American Freedom, and advocate, say, turning the USA into an Islamic Caliphate via Acts of War.

You know, some Extreme Threat like that. War. Not simply for routine or arbitrary reasons to stop and frisk average Citizens.

[Amendment10]

Thank you for referencing that article Altura Ct.. Just in case any FR readers aren't aware of the following concerning executive orders, people may find the following information about such orders interesting.

First, not only is "executive order" not a constitutional term, but the Founding States made the very first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide them from the Oval Office, to clarify that all legislative powers of the federal government are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches of the federal government.

In fact, undoubtedly based on the clauses referenced above, the Supreme Court has already clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders do not have the force of law unless legislatively supported by Congress. And given that Congress is now diivided, Democrats controlling the Senate and Republicans controlling the House of Representatives, Obama simply doesn't have the legislative support of Congress to make his executive orders do anything.

So what Obama is actually doing with his executive orders is to try to make himself look like a king making edicts to impress low-information voters. Sadly, when Obama writes "JUMP!" on an executive order, Constitution-ignorant voters, which evidently includes medical personnel, unthinkingly ask "how high?"