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OK... Why would a pilot in training be landing a plane with passengers aboard???? Should not passenger aboard landings be reserved for when he was fully certified for the left seat.


84 posted on 07/08/2013 11:58:54 AM PDT by thegrump
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The rocks at the end of the runway seawall were too high.

That is the explaination you would get from the Obama Admin.


85 posted on 07/08/2013 12:47:14 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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The Boeing 777 is one of the most technically advanced aircraft in service. Unless I have misread the published manuals this aircraft has more than one system monitoring each and every facet required in maintaining a safe environment. If this is the case, then why no audio/visual alarms notifying the pilots their approach was flawed? Any audio communications between this crew and the tower is void of any traditional alarms, until 7 or so seconds from a heroic touchdown that saved all but 2 souls. Am I to believe that this marvel of modern flying machines will not calculate current data, project out future points in time, and alarm those in control adjustments must be made before the point of no return is breached? At 7 seconds from demise, it seems the plane has failed to notify and bypassed any fail safe, installed systems to ensure no critical event occurs. I thought such aircraft would take over flying if a critical event is imminent. If this ability to take control has been disabled, then many alarms would be rings loud. But if this advanced machine is displaying safe information to the pilots, I would assume this would be the same information the safety measures are using to decide if auto measures are needed. This is troublesome to me. The only safety measure that kicked in is the shaking that occurs (stick shaker) that is directly associated to engine stall...but why didn’t other alarms sound, suggesting a stall was imminent?
This is information contained within the manual posted via the link:

‘‘Fault Tolerance” is a term that is used to define the ability of any system to withstand single or multiple failures which results in either no loss of functionality or a known loss of functionality or reduced level of redundancy while maintaining the required level of safety. It does not, however, define any particular method that is used for this purpose. There are two major classes of faults that any system design must deal with. These are

• A failure which results in some particular component becoming totally inoperative. An example of this would be a loss of power to some electronic component, such that it no longer performs its intended function.

• A failure which results in some particular component remaining active, but the functionality it provides is in error. An example of this failure would be a Low Range Radio Altimeter whose output is indicating the airplane is at an altitude 500 ft above the ground when the airplane is actually 200 ft above the ground.

http://www.davi.ws/avionics/TheAvionicsHandbook_Cap_11.pdf

I fail to understand how a pilot can be hung out to dry without first showing how all safety systems and measures could be disabled, and all alarms keep at bay during all communications during approach. Help me understand what I’m missing.


89 posted on 07/08/2013 1:13:10 PM PDT by Golfinsocal
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