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To: webstersII

ILS has two parts: Glideope and Localizer. Most ILS approaches are set up to use with glide slope out of service. There are just different minimums required to see the field.

Unless there was a serious malfunction of the aircraft systems, this is worse than pilot error. It was gross incompetence.

At UAL we are required to have stabilized approach criteria by 1000 feet: gear down flaps down on glide path, engines spooled up. Without that a missed approach is REQUIRED.

The 777 can calculate and display its own calculated glide path so glides lope out is not a big deal. There had to be all sorts of oral warnings going off prior to landing. EGPWS, GPWS radar altimeter call outs.

No excuse for ut


93 posted on 07/07/2013 9:54:08 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
Yosemitetest posted a link to the flight track log at FlightAware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130706/0730Z/RKSI/KSFO/tracklog

I thought you might find it interesting, especially this part:

02:22PM 37.4333 -122.0800 43° Northeast 248 285 5,900 -1,620 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4397 -122.0740 37° Northeast 249 287 5,700 -1,140 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4431 -122.0710 35° Northeast 249 287 5,700 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4471 -122.0690 22° Northeast 248 285 5,600 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4513 -122.0680 11° North 247 284 5,600 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4549 -122.0670 12° North 246 283 5,500 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4583 -122.0670 360° North 246 283 5,500 -900 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4628 -122.0670 360° North 245 282 5,400 -1,500 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4675 -122.0680 350° North 244 281 5,300 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4709 -122.0700 335° Northwest 243 280 5,300 -1,020 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4741 -122.0720 334° Northwest 242 278 5,200 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4774 -122.0740 334° Northwest 242 278 5,200 -1,020 Level FlightAware
02:22PM 37.4854 -122.0810 325° Northwest 243 280 5,000 -1,740 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4909 -122.0850 330° Northwest 243 280 4,800 -1,200 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4941 -122.0880 323° Northwest 244 281 4,800 -780 Level FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4973 -122.0920 315° West 243 280 4,700 -1,740 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.4999 -122.0960 309° West 242 278 4,600 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5026 -122.1010 304° West 240 276 4,600 -540 Level FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5066 -122.1100 299° West 237 273 4,500 -840 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5145 -122.1280 299° West 228 262 4,300 -540 Descending FlightAware
02:23PM 37.5192 -122.1390 298° West 221 254 4,300 -240 Level FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5266 -122.1570 297° West 212 244 4,200 -720 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5351 -122.1760 299° West 208 239 3,900 -960 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5414 -122.1910 298° West 204 235 3,700 -1,080 Descending FlightAware
02:24PM 37.5481 -122.2070 298° West 203 234 3,400 -1,200 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5548 -122.2230 298° West 195 224 3,100 -1,140 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5614 -122.2390 297° West 190 219 2,800 -1,500 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5669 -122.2520 298° West 187 215 2,400 -1,320 Descending FlightAware
02:25PM 37.5730 -122.2660 299° West 187 215 2,200 -1,080 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5785 -122.2790 298° West 186 214 1,900 -1,020 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5847 -122.2940 298° West 178 205 1,700 -1,020 Descending FlightAware
02:26PM 37.5900 -122.3070 297° West 169 194 1,400 -1,380 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.5988 -122.3270 299° West 145 167 800 -1,380 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6016 -122.3340 297° West 141 162 600 -1,320 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6045 -122.3410 298° West 134 154 400 -900 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6073 -122.3480 297° West 123 142 300 -840 Descending FlightAware
02:27PM 37.6103 -122.3550 298° West 109 125 100 -120 Descending FlightAware
02:28PM 37.6170 -122.3740 294° West 85 98 200 120 Climbing FlightAware
Does that look like a stabilized descent to you?
96 posted on 07/07/2013 10:12:18 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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