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To: george76
No peripheral vision due to the surrounding water at threshold. Aircraft too low. Attempted gaining about 100 feet by raising nose and maybe increasing power. Power would not increasing since jet engines take moments to build thrust. Tail hit the space before threshold and broke off, Nose came down and the aircraft slammed the area prior to the threshold. Gear broke off. Plane slid on belly to where it rested and looks like the left engine tore off and rested next to fuselage. Evacuation must have occurred before fire from the resting engine. All this could have been corrected if the ILS was working. Even so if the pilot had visual on the yellow light he could have made correction on glide path seconds before being committed.

I'm damn old and ancient pilot, forgot some of the terminology. Just my thoughts. Used to come in a little high and use cross control to drop altitude at threshold and flare for fun.

43 posted on 07/07/2013 8:46:46 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me
> Used to come in a little high and use cross control
> to drop altitude at threshold and flare for fun.

Slipping: what saved the "Gimli Glider".

I used to fly the same way, when the POH didn't prohibit slipping with flaps. And, of course, in gliders it's another way (plus the spoilers, if any) to carry "a little extra power" on approach.

It was my impression, back when I was flying, that the only power pilots that knew about slipping were those with glider time (and that was the case for the Gimli Glider incident).

So with the ILS and PAPI down, did this pilot have to rely on good'ol stick&rudder airmanship? How much training do they get on that scenario?

69 posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:18 AM PDT by Boundless (Survive Obamacare by not needing it.)
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To: Logical me

You got to the nut real good. I will take the NTSB a year to come to the same conclusion. One point, though; the PIC flew an unstable approach into the ground.

Every now, and again, whilst commiting aviation, I will come in high just to do a forward slip...ticks off the wife. “....but, dear, I was a little too high.”;-)


101 posted on 07/07/2013 10:34:10 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Logical me

You are right on the money... OTS PAPI, VASI, ILS/GS or whatever 28L did not have functioning for the approach is no excuses of what took place the final moments of Asiana 214 flight. Basic spot landing Pilot skills should have automatically kicked. This Skipper got distracted and allows his air speed to deteriorate beyond the point of quick recovery close to the ground.
I do think the charge of manslaughter or negligence homicide against the Captain should apply in this accident.


136 posted on 07/07/2013 1:47:55 PM PDT by AvianoTeamB1
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