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Day 19 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 5, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/05/2013 4:54:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 5th, is DAY #19 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

The State is expected to wrap up their case today – A great recap of the trial so far is available HERE: The key witness today expected to be Sybrina Fulton, mom.

Great Expectations? Remember, as y’all have noted during the 15+ months of research, there is so much corruption in the assembly of this case we could expect the State to avoid the traditional witnesses brought by normal prosecutions. We have not been disappointed in our predictions. The state has already won a pre-trial motion to bar the defense mentioning the absence of any witness from the State’s case.

So it comes as no surprise, not a single State investigator has been called, not a single FBI officer, only one local investigative detective, Chris Serino (who supported the defense), and now the profound possibility they won’t even present the Seminole County Medical Examiner. So has the State actually even proven that Trayvon is indeed, deceased? Without the M.E. the ballistics are essentially moot – where did the aforementioned bullet come from? They have not established it came from Trayvon’s body. Think about it.

Because of pre-trial ‘motions in limine’ to exclude the defense bringing it up, O’Mara cannot mention it. Would/Will the jurors notice a missing M.E. = Trayvon blood tox. etc?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bao; fulton; jahvarisfulton; notes; shiping; shipingbao; showtrial; sybrina; sybrinafulton; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Semper911

Lil good one


1,041 posted on 07/05/2013 9:38:13 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: snarkytart
Whatever2
1,042 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SteveH

That should fix it but mine started working with my usual settings.


1,043 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:14 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Thanks for your help. Before I had a chance to reset, it started working normally.


1,044 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:18 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: RoosterRedux; XenaLee; onyx; NautiNurse; RummyChick; Tijeras_Slim
Why are these people allowed to continue on the public tit?

I wonder if this is another Angela Corey sponsored ME?

Medical examiner who called Zimmerman injuries ‘insignificant’ no stranger to controversy

An investigator in the Jacksonville, Fla. Public Defender’s office tells the Daily Caller that he is “skeptical” of the testimony given by Dr. Valerie Rao, the medical examiner called by the prosecution to testify in the George Zimmerman trial on Tuesday........

...........David Douglas, who investigates in the same 4th district out of Jacksonville as Rao, said that he listened to Dr. Rao’s testimony yesterday and said he “was a bit skeptical of her motives and conclusions.” During testimony Tuesday, O’Mara began his cross-examination by asking Rao if she was given her position by Angela Corey, the state attorney in charge of the Zimmerman second-degree murder trial. Rao said that she was appointed by Florida governor Rick Scott. Several memos sent by Corey do suggest that she pushed to get Rao the medical examiner’s position.

Corey has come under fire for pushing too hard to convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder despite evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Corey was appointed state attorney on the case by Governor Rick Scott after state attorney Norm Wolfinger refused to charge Zimmerman with a crime............

.......Local Florida newspapers have reported complaints filed against Dr. Rao. Co-workers have accused her of various offenses including washing her feet in an autopsy sink, walking barefoot through a bloody crime scene, and calling a former subordinate “Big Mac” due to her weight. She was also accused by a former employee of Middle Eastern descent of making jokes about him being a terrorist.

During a stint working as a medical examiner in Missouri, Rao made news by misidentifying the cause of death of University of Missouri football player Aaron O’Neal. Rao determined that O’Neal collapsed during practice and died from viral meningitis. O’Neal actually had sickle-cell anemia which, the player’s family argued, should have been treated by his coaches since it is known that the hereditary disease has been linked to heat stroke. The family later settled with the University for over $2 million.

During an appeal of a murder conviction of Labrant Dennis, state attorney Joshua Weintraub was accused of coaching Dr. Rao — then a medical examiner — as a witness in the penalty phase of the case. In an appeal to the Florida Supreme Court, Dennis’ attorneys argued that in a 1998 memo to Rao before her analysis of the case case was submitted, Weintraub “used subjective terms, varying in degrees of conclusiveness, speculation, and gross exaggeration.”

That email, obtained by The Daily Caller, shows Weintraub telling Rao that it is “of paramount importance that [the victim’s] facial injuries were caused by a staggering 20-25 strikes to the head.”

Weintraub also wrote to Rao “I would like to stress to the jury that [the victim] is alert and aware that she is being beaten.”

Weintraub asked Rao to specifically mention that the victims in the case “languished and died.” Weintraub wrote that the phrase “is a term of art that the judge and jury needs to understand because it helps with our burden of proving the murders as ‘atrocious’ and ‘cruel’.”

The claim, which the court later ruled against, argued that state prosecutors relied on Rao’s testimony despite her not having conducted any of the autopsies of any of Dennis’ alleged victims. Nor did Rao visit the crime scene.

Dennis’ initial attorney, Ronald Guralnick, recalled the memo to Dr. Rao as “very suggestive.” He told The DC that if he’d have known about the memo before trial, he could have impeached Rao’s examination.

Suzanne Keffer, Dennis’ lawyer in the appeals case, recollects that Dr. Rao’s “opinion was really stretching.” Keffer says that Rao would also offer non-medical opinions. Keffer says that prosecutors do tell their witnesses what is expected of their testimony but that Rao’s matched Weintraub’s suggestions “point for point.”

A Jacksonville-area defense attorney said in a phone interview of Rao’s relationship with state attorneys, “it’s sort of home-cooking.” The source added, “obviously Angela [Corey] hand-picked her.”

A source close to the state attorney’s office says Rao and Corey have a “very, very, very close relationship.” The source, who asked not to be identified, called Rao and Corey “very good friends” and “close allies.”

Corey was FL AG Pam Bondi's hand picked recommendation to Gov Scott

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1,045 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:20 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: tacticalogic

Objective: to stop them. Who teaches to aim for the heart? Is it not just center mass? You aren’t supposed to try to hit their a specific area to kill them specifically are you? In that case aim for the head....which of course is a bad idea....which is why to aim center mass...

I am not arguing, I am just trying to understand....it fascinates me. And if that logic has changed I am wondering why?


1,046 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:34 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: snarkytart
Been wondering when the prosecution is going to start it’s case with real evidence and witnesses. Does that happen after the ME is done?
1,047 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:45 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: snarkytart

Term limits for State Attorney Chiefs would be a good start.

This is a high profile case, how many low profile case defendants did she deny justice?


1,048 posted on 07/05/2013 9:39:53 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RummyChick
would a new thread help with the issues that are happening right now with not seeing all posts.

No, it would not. I set my FR Preferences to show only 20 posts per page. That's working for now. A new thread would have the exact same problem.

1,049 posted on 07/05/2013 9:40:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: bolobaby; DrewsMum; Nervous Tick

” worked in federal LE and the keys to the cells, evidence lockers, etc.. STAYED IN THE OFFICE! “

OK. so Mr. Vao....oops, excuse me, Mr. Rao is the Morgue Janitor. BUT he did watch the autopsy while waiting with a mop.


1,050 posted on 07/05/2013 9:40:52 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Tau Food
I do also believe that strapping on a gun and following suspicious people into dark places is very dangerous conduct and likely to lead to real serous problems.

Care to speculate on what it would be like to live where there is no one willing to do that and the "suspicious people" just come and go as they please, uninterrupted?

1,051 posted on 07/05/2013 9:41:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: snarkytart

The ME is threatening to make Jeantel sound articulate.


1,052 posted on 07/05/2013 9:41:22 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: snarkytart

“Whatever.”

What are you - 14???


1,053 posted on 07/05/2013 9:41:36 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Elle Bee

WHOA!
That’s very damaging.
Thanks so much for finding that information!


1,054 posted on 07/05/2013 9:41:56 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Well .. ANYone can see THAT .... duhhhhh .


1,055 posted on 07/05/2013 9:42:29 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Elle Bee

Thanks Elle, this is no surprise. What a sham.


1,056 posted on 07/05/2013 9:42:40 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: UCANSEE2

Since when are witnesses allowed to testify from notes? I was under the impression that a witness is allowed to read notes to refresh their memory, but the actual testimony has to be given without referring to the notes.

I have NEVER seen a witness read, word for word, from notes, what an answer to a question is.


1,057 posted on 07/05/2013 9:42:49 AM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: patriot08
CBS is reporting they obtained a copy of the ME's notes.

According to sources, the prosecution will say drawing cartoons helps his memory.

1,058 posted on 07/05/2013 9:42:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DrewsMum
I am not arguing, I am just trying to understand....it fascinates me. And if that logic has changed I am wondering why?

It's just semantics and logical consequences. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin, because he did exactly what he was trained to do in the situation he found himself in.

1,059 posted on 07/05/2013 9:43:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Hoodat
One less poster taking up bandwidth. Should work perfectly now.

Problem solved! ;-)
1,060 posted on 07/05/2013 9:44:06 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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