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Egypt coup against Morsi is rooted in a decades-long struggle
LATimes ^ | July 3, 2013, 5:24 p.m. | By Jeffrey Fleishman

Posted on 07/04/2013 12:04:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Since 1952, Egypt's identity has been in a tug of war between Islamists and a secular military state.

CAIRO — The passions fueling Egypt's political turbulence arose directly from the "Arab Spring" of 2011, but they have deeper roots in a decades-long struggle over the nation's identity between two authoritarian forces — Islamists and a secular military state.

Egypt won its independence from Britain after a 1952 revolution by army officers led by Gamal Abdel Nasser. From the start, the military was set against the Muslim Brotherhood, a growing and at times violent underground Islamist movement. Strong in the provinces and among professionals, the Brotherhood espoused sharia, or Islamic law, and went so far as to attempt political assassinations to wear down the military-backed government.

The Brotherhood's vision inspired both moderate Islamist groups and terrorist organizations across the region. It renounced violence decades ago and concentrated on social and religious programs, but the group was both co-opted and persecuted by successive military leaders who regarded it as a threat to the westward-leaning secular state they envisioned.

The organization's bitterness simmered through six decades as military men ran the country, until a popular uprising overthrew President Hosni Mubarak in 2011. The army quickly seized control, but the Brotherhood began a political ascendancy that culminated with the election last year of President Mohamed Morsi, the nation's first Islamist leader.

The young protesters and opposition figures who led the revolt against Mubarak were outflanked by the Brotherhood and unceremoniously sidelined by political naivete, conflicting visions and lack of organization.


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1 posted on 07/04/2013 12:04:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Looks like many of the people are rejecting the Brotherhods vision and adopting the secualr west leaning views.

A hugh blow to the ambitions of the Islamist views in the Middl East countries.

Will Al-Queda introduce it's bombers to Egypt.?

2 posted on 07/04/2013 12:10:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Spring has sprung?


3 posted on 07/04/2013 12:11:50 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Brotherhood... renounced violence decades ago...

BS.

4 posted on 07/04/2013 12:15:26 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Egyptians generally take a lot of pride in their nation's very long and of course mostly pre-Islamic history and see themselves as apart from the rest of the Arab world. Even physically they do not resemble other Arab peoples. Some of the faces one sees walking down a Cairo street are spitting images of 5,000 year old tomb portraits. There are decent brands of Egyptian beer and Cairo street life has more in common with Paris than it does with Riyadh.

So from the very start the objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood, turning Egypt into a strict Islamic, quasi Wahhabi, Sharia state was not going to be easy. The MB took power after the fall of Mubarak more because they were (and still are) the only unified political organization in the country that could challenge the military than any popular sentiment in their favor. A return to government with the Egyptian military, the main power center in the country and ultimate "guardians of the nation", looking over its shoulder will be to most Egyptians a comforting return to what is for them normalcy.

And as a PS, the Islamists running Turkey are facing a similar problem.

5 posted on 07/04/2013 12:27:43 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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Related thread ,,,Washington Post:

Morsi’s ouster spells trouble for region’s other Islamist movements

6 posted on 07/04/2013 12:32:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The military was wise to act before the Muslim Brotherhood had seized control of all the organs of power. If the Iranian military had been equally wise, Iran would have been spared the decades-long rule of the mullahs.


7 posted on 07/04/2013 12:32:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Turkey used to be the same way but the Islamist (So called moderate) has replaced the military leadership with toadies more in line with Sharia Law.


8 posted on 07/04/2013 12:35:26 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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9 posted on 07/04/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by red-dawg
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Egypt won its independence from Britain after a 1952 revolution by army officers led by Gamal Abdel Nasser.

Actually, independence from Britain came gradually, beginning in 1922, when Britain granted Egypt "full independence," although the country remained essentially a British protectorate. In 1947, British troops were withdrawn to the Suez Canal Zone, and the next year, Egypt, now virtually independent, fought a war with Israel.

10 posted on 07/04/2013 12:52:20 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Every minute that passes without the armed forces' intervention to perform its duties and protect the lives of Egyptians will waste more blood, especially since the person in the presidential position has lost his legitimacy and eligibility, and maybe even his mind," ElBaradei said.

Much the same could be said about our own Obama's American and America hating, Islamocommunist, constitution destroying, prosperity destroying regime.

11 posted on 07/04/2013 1:24:57 PM PDT by libstripper (A)
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And it is the same with the Turkish military.


12 posted on 07/04/2013 1:25:54 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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...There are decent brands of Egyptian beer......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3039058/posts

Seems that the MB was moving to discourage that


13 posted on 07/04/2013 1:38:14 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think Egypt’s problems began when George Soros, Bill Ayers, and Zippy got together. Occupy Wall street was liberal projection of Arab Spring. Zippy’s stupid mouth almost started an Irish Spring too.


14 posted on 07/04/2013 1:48:08 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“It renounced violence decades ago and concentrated on social and religious programs”

while it is simultaneously alligned with and on good terms with clerics who teach jihad that does not renounce violence

the MB and Al Queda are rooted in the same philosohphy founded by the same leaders

they play good cop bad cop in the Muslim world and on the world stage, with MB suggesting they should be appreciated over the Al Queda types who are violent, all the while their overall Islamist aims are identical

its one giant ruse

while Al Queda seeks the same goals through violence, which they hold in common with the Taliban, someone else had to play the role of the nice guy so that they could work through subversion


15 posted on 07/04/2013 5:04:33 PM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest!
...over the nation's identity between two authoritarian forces -- Islamists and a secular military state... From the start, the military was set against the Muslim Brotherhood, a growing and at times violent underground Islamist movement. Strong in the provinces and among professionals, the Brotherhood espoused sharia, or Islamic law, and went so far as to attempt political assassinations to wear down the military-backed government... but the group was both co-opted and persecuted by successive military leaders who regarded it as a threat to the westward-leaning secular state they envisioned... The young protesters and opposition figures who led the revolt against Mubarak were outflanked by the Brotherhood and unceremoniously sidelined by political naivete, conflicting visions and lack of organization.
...and the socialist basis of the Nasserite movement was itself rooted in Islamic practice, iow, don't buy the op-ed in entire. Muzzies are always locked in a death struggle with their lifelong enemies, other muzzies.


16 posted on 07/04/2013 6:30:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You are no doubt correct. Someone set light to the fuse at that particular moment and fed the resulting fire which toppled Mubarak. Same with Qaddafi and Assad. Neither was or is what one could call a good guy but the former, after Iraq, was under control and the latter and his party running Syria are "the Devil we know". Helping change Turkey from a neutral player vis a vis the Arab Israeli dispute with a 90 year history of strict secular and western oriented government into a new Sunni Muslim Brotherhood satrap is another part of the game.

This cancer runs very deep and its target is to surround Israel with fanatic Sunni regimes (Riyadh calling) and destroy her. For Soros this is just finishing the job he started on a tiny scale as a Kapo in Budapest. For all of them its the agenda of the Beast.

19 posted on 07/05/2013 9:09:20 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Yehuda

Meant to direct this to Yehuda.


20 posted on 07/05/2013 9:11:38 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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