“And people are basically studiously ignoring that it’s now apparent that most of what Snowden took deals with NSA spying on foreigners. To acknowledge that would destroy their hero-worship.”
Snowden is a totally separate issue from the disclosure that the NSA is colonoscopically collecting what EVERY American does.
To turn your argument around on you - to make it more appropriate - People are using Snowden to divert attention from the real issue that NSA is building files on every American as if they were criminals and only pretending that there are safeguards in place to make sure - To quote GWB: “one of the certainties is civil liberties were guaranteed”
I think this has already been proven a lie. The DNI already is a proven liar.
So who do you believe? A government bureaucracy that has been caught pathologically and voyeuristic-ally staring into every Americans private life and is in fear of it’s continued funding, or do we believe what they’ve been forced to admit under duress.
If the NSA had stopped at collecting intel on foreigners and Americans for whom they have a warrant to spy on, they wouldn’t be in this mess, would they?
Snowden will eventually face justice. Fine with me. But that doesn’t mean the NSA should not be forced to open their files so every American can examine the dossier gathered on them. I’m thinking that would be a cathartic experience for freedom loving Americans, from which the NSA would not survive intact.
I don’t believe GWB or the NSA on this matter.
I think this has already been proven a lie. The DNI already is a proven liar....I don’t believe GWB or the NSA on this matter.
You have indeed pierced the heart of this matter.
How serious a breach in public trust has Snowden's revelation been regarded by the Elites? GWB himself emerged out of mothball to finally weigh in on the policies of 0blabla. NOT to criticize a thousand and one additional ways America has been undermined since his departure, but on SUPPORTING and DEFENDING this one singular policy. This as "civil liberties" are coincidentally proving to be rather elusive, given the intrusiveness and over-officiousness of certain alphabet agencies.
The credibility and presumed honor of this governance and its leadership -- past and present -- have been exposed as violating the implicit trust of We The People.
On what other issues and "crises" have we been deceived?