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Day 15 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 28, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/28/2013 5:14:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

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To: Java4Jay

“I understood a pretrial agreement that its either guilty of 2nd degree murder or nothing”

I hope that’s accurate. I’m not trying to post bogus info. I think I got my info from the NY Times, pretrial story.

My memory wasn’t good enough to remember if this issue had already been covered before the trial started, by the attorneys.


441 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:07 AM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Elle Bee

...and the Jeb that just won’t go away.


442 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:09 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: Jedidah
It is wrong to criticize him for trying to let the truth come out in this trial, as we’ve seen continually during the prosecution.


Very good point... Looking at it this way does make sense... He may be trying to protect his own job :p
Maybe he didn't want this to go to court, but was forced by the state.. Not many options, in that case ...
443 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:22 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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If we listen carefully to John it appears that this beatdown lasted a lot longer than 40 seconds. He hears the “tussle” and steps outside and sees the beatdown already in progress and watches for 8 seconds as Martin rains down blows MMA style.

He then comes inside and goes upstairs and calls 911 as he looks out the bathroom window and hears the gunshot.

That means the beatdown lasted a long time — perhaps as long as 2 minutes. That is devastating to the state’s narrative because there was no time for Zimmerman to follow or chase Martin. Right after the NEN call the beatdown started.

Right now the state is trying to figure out how to impeach its own timeline.


444 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CA Conservative
The only problem is that GZ doesn't have to prove self-defense - the state must DISPROVE self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, and then must PROVE all of the elements of Murder 2 beyond a reasonable doubt.

Which leads one to the conclusion that if this presentation of prosecution "evidence" continues in the same vein, without one shred of evidence that GZ could be suspected of being the aggressor, a Directed Verdict should be entered after the prosecution rests.

That would be in the real world...

445 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:44 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Bikkuri

Nobody on that jury is expecting Zimmerman to be an MMA fighter. Who cares what some professional could do in a fight after being knocked to the ground and having someone on top beating them.
We’re talking about a regular man who is at most 5’8” and at the time looked no more than 150 pounds.
The fact Z was yelling for someone to come help him shows he wasn’t intent on killing Martin. If this Good person would have came out with a bat and smacked Martin off of Z, Martin would have a sore head but still be alive. We can do the “what ifs” all day. Nobody came to help Z and he felt as though Martin was not just going to hurt him with his blows but possible see his gun and use it against him.


446 posted on 06/28/2013 9:40:52 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Alissa

“Told my daughter if GZ is acquitted, some white people are going to die for it.”

I think this is likely to happen, especially in cities where all witnesses are likely to be be black. I would just say be careful where you are and be prepared.


447 posted on 06/28/2013 9:42:12 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: House Atreides
and the surrounding tallahassee taj mahal courthouse scandals

given the rate of NE snowbirds and Hatian 'earthquake refugees' still flowing into the state, Florida will soon be bright red

then there's the nursing home vote

the larger cities are all operating on the Detroit model

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448 posted on 06/28/2013 9:45:19 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: meyer

There was a time I would have agreed with you, but like someone said upthread (can’t remember who nor could find it), I think and feel completely differently now about blacks. I think that for the hoards of TM’s (and others who are, outwardly at least, less “thuggish”), there are a few WWs or Thomas Sowells.


449 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:01 AM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: House Atreides

That’s probably it...Martin was beating away the rain drops to keep Z’s head dry....

Perfect. We should email this to the prosecution. They could use it!


450 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Fawn

>> They should at least be contacted by law officials.....????

Yeah, if “I’m gonna kill me a generic white person” isn’t “making terroristic threats”, then the term has no meaning.


451 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:36 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick; xzins

If the prosecutor believed the story of This witness’ testimony, then he would be ethically forced to request that the charges be dismissed. If he believed this witness was not going to tell the truth, he could be charged with suborning perjury for calling him to the stand. You can’t call a witness to the stand knowing they are going to tell a lie. Neither can you bring charges and prosecute a case which you honestly believe the defendant is not guilty of.

Either baldy was surprised by this testimony today, or he is another Nifong. I think both. This witness established that George Zimmerman was being visciously attacked when the shot was fired.

Regardless of any other circumstance this proves beyond any doubt that Zimmerman is not guilty.


452 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:46 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.ca)
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To: Uncle Chip

The phone time line, including 911 calls must stay constant


453 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

These people have never been in a Street Brawl. Put them down and pound them.


454 posted on 06/28/2013 9:49:03 AM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Prov1322

What is a directed verdict?


455 posted on 06/28/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
...and the Jeb that just won’t go away.

I had almost forgotten Porky Bush ... Tokyo Rove's favorite candidate in 2016

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456 posted on 06/28/2013 9:49:47 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: House Atreides

>> Now it looks like Tennessee.

If I may, let me put in a shameless plug for my home state — Texas.

There’s ALWAYS room for a self-reliant conservative here!

(And unlike TN, we only have ONE lousy RINO senator! The other one rocks!)


457 posted on 06/28/2013 9:50:44 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: acw011

I give that advice to all who will listen!
I believe that it is linked to the inborn fear of fire by all living things.
+++++++++++++
But just remember if you were to do it in my neighborhood you might
soon hear a lot of gunfire. :^)


458 posted on 06/28/2013 9:50:48 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: Hulka
Such an incompetent judge. . .even for a kangaroo court.


I just hope the jury also sees it the same as we are. Lots of stuff happening when they are 'excused', so they can't see everything (whish, in my opinion is total BS)... but I hope they have sense to see what is happening.

Also, I hope that this (especially since it is being broadcast worldwide.. but especially for US citizens), they can and will see the corruption of the courts/Judicial system.. :/
459 posted on 06/28/2013 9:52:02 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: SZonian

“Sounds like they’re laying the foundation for the riots if and when George is either acquitted or not guilty.”

All those in the media are salivating because it will keep them busy reporting and following him every minute of the day to reveal his new address and whereabouts.

And Obummer supporters? See below...

They should be arrested right now...check out these death threats...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/


460 posted on 06/28/2013 9:52:58 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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