Rand Paul: The Supreme Court’s DOMA ruling was appropriate; “Regrettable overreach,” says Ted Cruz

Hotair ^ | 06/26/2013 | AllahPundit

[i_robot73]

Rules-based, like our Constitution, I can live with that.

What I see today, the whole gnashing of teeth and spitting nails, is exactly what happens when gov’t gets too big and is no longer held to those ‘base rules’. Sucks, eh?

We (the People) have allowed the courts to allow the Fed to social-structure using the tax code and (Unconstitutional) bennies, then wonder why the courts say “Nope, even out the field, apply it to ABC, XYZ, etc.”

Gov’t, at any level, has no business defining/regulating marriage. All else falls into a contractual basis with an easy solution: Wills. Otherwise, can’t prove it, it didn’t happen.

[ansel12]

My point is that the involvement of a government or "controlling legal authority" in marriage basically begins and ends with the enforcement of a contract. That's it. Ironically, the whole idea about government involving itself in a religious institution like marriage is tied to this country's roots as a Protestant nation. That's why the whole question of defining marriage was never a problem before. As these religious sects lose their minds and turn away from their own moral principles over time, and as this country becomes populated by people from more and more different religious/ethnic backgrounds, the natural result is absolute chaos.

Yeah, the need for marriage "law" is universal, not just in Greece and Rome and Europe, but among primitive tribes and other civilizations.

""Ironically, the whole idea about government involving itself in a religious institution like marriage is tied to this country's roots as a Protestant nation.""

That is ridiculous, you just threw out thousands of years of history. Government or controlling authority has always been involved in the legality of marriage.

While 1854 is pretty recent when we are talking about thousands of years of marriage laws, did you know that the GOP was founded partly on fighting marriage laws of the Apache Indians, and the Joseph Smith cult (Mormons)?

[ecomcon]

Culture usually and eventually trumps law. Pursuing legal/political solutions to cultural issues is a waste of effort.

Exactly. When the heart of man is turned from God, no law will restrain him. Because the people in this country (Rom 1:28) "did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper".

It will devolve into pan demonium.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other". Samuel Adams

[ecomcon]

Homosexuals cohabitating is not marriage. It has never been marriage since the beginning of time. This because it is disorder, it is unproductive, it is illogical, it is divisive, it is hateful. Marriage for homosexuals is an offensive farce.

Any person who cannot distinguish this is given over to a depraved mind.

[ansel12]

We can agree with that as an expression of our angst, but knowing it won’t save American culture and society, we still have to figure out a way to fight this abomination.

[ansel12]

What happened is that libertarianism and the leftists, have moved America so far left in the last 50 years, that the real Americans are too vastly outnumbered, and the left/libertarians are winning the culture.

This was yet another victory for libertarians and leftists in their war against conservatism, America, and God.

[Sam Gamgee]

Proof that Libertarianism is for retards.

[County Agent Hank Kimball]

"A key point is they are rules-based and fairly inflexible."

I have no idea what this means. I pretty much consider myself a libertarian and I believe in one and one one rule: leave me alone.

All else is superfluous.

Hank

[plain talk]

I’m good with that. Thanks. :-)

[i_robot73]

The (L) party has had NO effect on the national scene. Your OWN GOPe party has sided, willingly, with the DEMs to sell out We the People at every turn.

Rubio, Graham, McConnell, McCain, etc. are GOP....none are (L) leaning in the LEAST.

Put the blame where it belongs.

[ansel12]

I didn’t mention the libertarian party, and I have never been a republican.

I put the blame where it belongs, on the anti-conservative, anti-American, anti-God left.

What happened is that libertarianism and the leftists, have moved America so far left in the last 50 years, that the real Americans are too vastly outnumbered, and the left/libertarians are winning the culture.

This was yet another victory for libertarians and leftists in their war against conservatism, America, and God.

[i_robot73]

No, you blamed libertarianism, not the Party itself.. I will concur the ‘Progressives’/Democrats/Socialists/Communists...yes, they have done more to harm this Country more than anyone.

But Liberal/libertarianism is a misnomer, it’s bad enough to allow other Left to bastardize the meaning as the Right has allowed done with ‘marriage’. But, your denigration of ‘libertarianism’ (the belief in Liberty above all else), is completely off the mark.

More to the truth, it has been the GOP/RNC that has, time and time again, ‘reached across the isle’ to claim bipartisanship and ALLOWING gov’t to encroach and usurp the Freedom and Liberty of We the People.

The (L) party is, and libertarianism in general, are only ONE of a handful of Parties to run on a platform based on our Constitution, as it is WRITTEN and (then) understood.

The GOP/RNC? SS? Sure, no problem there. NSA? Hell, THEY passed the friggin’ (misnamed) Patriot Act. Amnesty? SHIT, please. They can’t even effectively nibble around the edges, as gov’t has only gotten BIGGER and more intrusive even when they had Congress and Presidency.

Show me how/where the GOP/RNC has done ANYTHING to restore the power(s) they have so wrongly taken, or allowed to be taken, from the Citizens? Any dept. red-lined? Hell, any regulation?

I’ll quickly point you to the last line in red @ http://www.usdebtclock.org/. It hasn’t been anyone BUT the DNC and GOP to make that total steadily increase.

[ansel12]

Sounds like you want to talk to a republican, I’ve never been one.

Libertarianism has had great victories recently.

Libertarianism has spread in America and shown great victories in advancing it’s agenda over the last 50 years.

This list is very close to being totally checked off as a success, another 5 to 15 years should make it complete.

Libertarian Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Pot, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.

[trisham]

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told ABC News he believes the Supreme Court ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act was appropriate, and that the issue should be left to the states. He praised Justice Anthony Kennedy for avoiding “a cultural war.”

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I'm sure that there were a number of people who wanted to believe in Paul, but seriously, is anyone really surprised at this?

[trisham]

FURP! Rand Paul is randomly unreliable, ie, a liberaltarian squish.

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[BuckeyeTexan]

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[PapaNew]

Depends on whether you believe in the Constitution I guess.