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1 posted on 06/21/2013 5:51:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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A government totally out of control and in mo way, “Of the people, by the people or for the people.”


2 posted on 06/21/2013 5:54:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Whatever its merits, the National Security Agency metadata program couldn’t be better fashioned to play into fears of the government. Is it vast? Yes. Secret? Check. Raise profound questions about privacy? Uh-huh. This is the kind of issue Rand Paul was born and (literally) raised to raise holy hell over. The NSA leak came on the heels of revelations that the Internal Revenue Service was singling out tea-party groups for extra scrutiny, and on the heels of the Associated Press and James Rosen investigations. Add in the gun-control fight earlier this year, and Paul is nearly four-for-four in fights sticking up, in his view, for the first four amendments of the Bill of Rights. The only thing missing is the third, because no one has proposed quartering of troops in our homes — yet.

Ping for later

3 posted on 06/21/2013 6:13:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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"I don’t think there was ever any threat of Americans being droned sitting at cafes"

This sentence alone can explain how far National Review has declined since the days of William F. Buckley. Two Americans have already been struck down by drones while simply riding in automobiles, albeit in foreign countries. The president has already assumed the authority to order the death in of American citizens in automobiles, it's certainly not inconceivable that he might extend that to cafes.

If congress believes it has the obligation to make laws governing my toilet flush volume, the percentage of corn in my automobile fuel tank, the amount of dirt I'm allowed to place in my garden, and the amount of insulation in my attic, it certainly could write laws to govern the extent to which the president is allowed to order the deaths of American citizens in cafes. The president has already demonstrated that he can send the IRS and the NSA after American citizens he disagrees with politically. Drones in US cafes may not be that far behind.

4 posted on 06/21/2013 6:26:33 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee are my absolute favorite GOP at the moment. Lowery misses the point on drones and its something many of us missed post 9-11 and that is its not whether you think something is a threat its whether someone could gain power to make that something a threat. Why would a benevolent government reserve the right to attack citizens with drones even if they are not an immediate threat and monitor indiscriminately turning everyone into a virtual suspect if there is nothing to fear? If security becomes the justification for any level of tyranny then at what point are we not imprisoning ourselves rather than the criminals and terrorists?


5 posted on 06/21/2013 6:38:25 AM PDT by Maelstorm (If all are treated as suspects it will not long before we all are treated as prisoners.)
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Well I like Rich Lowry but he’s another one of the comfortable GOP establishment. He cannot fathom a drone being used to eliminate one of the people on the administration’s enemies list. Wake up Rich.


7 posted on 06/21/2013 7:14:56 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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At this point in time, after having distanced himself from his father's neo-isolationist foreign policy, Rand Paul is my early choice for GOP presidential candidate in 2016!

Note that he is constitutionally qualified for the presidency, in contrast to several other folks frequently mentioned in the discussion.

8 posted on 06/21/2013 7:46:29 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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At least Rand stands for something, unlike the other “Seinfeld” Republicans who stand for nothing.


9 posted on 06/21/2013 7:49:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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But libertarianism is a significant strand on the right. It should be represented, and represented well. By and large, Rand Paul does that. Underestimate him at your peril.


The Libertarian Party Platform is “right”? What does the author mean by that? I’m sick of the terms “left” and “right”. The LP platform is certainly at variance with Constituitonal principles in many ways, and debating (if you can call it that) with many libertarians over the years snows me all I need to know about libertarianiams. If they claim they don’t agree with all the LP party platform, then why do they keep calling thesmelves libertarians?


12 posted on 06/21/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Rand Paul like the camera. He like to talk. His record in elected office of doing much other than talking is slim just like his daddy who liked to give lectures but who never accomplished much in office.

Using the Senate as path to White House by talking rather than doing.

Seems like that may have been done before.

14 posted on 06/21/2013 8:41:35 PM PDT by metafugitive
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