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To: muawiyah
On the Espionage Act charges against Edward Snowden

The Obama administration leaks classified information continuously. They do it to glorify the President, or manipulate public opinion, or even to help produce a pre-election propaganda film about the Osama bin Laden raid. The Obama administration does not hate unauthorized leaks of classified information. They are more responsible for such leaks than anyone. What they hate are leaks that embarrass them or expose their wrongdoing. Those are the only kinds of leaks that are prosecuted. The "enemy" they're seeking to keep ignorant with selective and excessive leak prosecutions are not The Terrorists or The Chinese Communists. It's the American people.

The Terrorists already knew, and have long known, that the US government is doing everything possible to surveil their telephonic and internet communications. The Chinese have long known, and have repeatedly said, that the US is hacking into both their governmental and civilian systems (just as the Chinese are doing to the US). The Russians have long known that the US and UK try to intercept the conversations of their leaders just as the Russians do to the US and the UK.

They haven't learned anything from these disclosures that they didn't already well know. The people who have learned things they didn't already know are American citizens who have no connection to terrorism or foreign intelligence, as well as hundreds of millions of citizens around the world about whom the same is true. What they have learned is that the vast bulk of this surveillance apparatus is directed not at the Chinese or Russian governments or the Terrorists, but at them.

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You have YET to condemn the NSA gathering all this data on Americans. You have instead parroted the Beltway establishment's attacks on the person who revealed that unconstitutional, illegal and unethical gathering. Which means you are part of the problem, not part of salvaging the 4th Amendment.

72 posted on 06/23/2013 9:24:16 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
NSA does a lot of stuff ~ the material you're most concerned with is initially gathered by the phone companies themselves. I have condemned the whole darned country for requiring them to maintain billing systems that allow them to collect and consolidate such information.

You must have forgotten that 'STARVE THE BEAST' has as much to do with refusing to demand big corporation/big gub'mnt intrusiveness as it does FIXING the tax system so the money just isn't there for them to waste.

I like to go all the way back to initial causes, and it does me no good to cut off NSA if I leave the Chicoms in place to acquire exactly the same information from all the Telco in the country, surreptitiously or otherwise.

So, why don't you demand we fix the tax system and utility operations? Do you want the Chicoms to continue to be able to access that information? Or don't you want to eliminate the source?,P>I don't think you are conservative enough.

73 posted on 06/23/2013 10:37:13 AM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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