[C. Edmund Wright]

I agree that Rand is wrong, and many of the establishment are wrong, and that it will NOT gain votes. However, I doubt most are on welfare and I would never support any reform bill that didn’t address them being on welfare in the first place.

[central_va]

When was the last time you heard of anyone doing anything about welfare fraud?

[Jane Long]

You and I will have to agree about whether or not most of the illegals are already on welfare.

I see it at every grocery store, school and even some restaurants that I visit. (LoneStar card, free breakfast, lunch and dinner plans at schools, etc.) Friends in other cities/areas of TX, tell me the exact same thing is going on in their neighborhoods, too.

The paltry amount of taxes these folks do/will pay is minuscule compared to the services they do/will receive.

[Jane Long]

Agree = DISAGREE :)

[kabar]

However, I doubt most are on welfare and I would never support any reform bill that didn’t address them being on welfare in the first place.

You couldn't be more wrong. Both legal immigrants and illegal aliens use welfare to a much greater extent than the native born.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children A Look at Cash, Medicaid, Housing, and Food Programs