Francis Reportedly Confirms "Gay Lobby"

Breitbart ^ | June 11, 2013 | Breitbart

[conservonator]

It is absolutely astounding to me how many Christians want to admit they have a depraved nature-even when they live with the evidence every day. I suspect it’s because we like to excuse it rather than confront it.

No one is excusing sin. You are simply creating straw men in order to attack the Church. You are have a disposition which gives rise to entertaining then moves to action. you are committing the sin of calumny;repent. Is a kleptomaniac guilty of the sin of stealing if the resist temptation? We don't excuse the action because of a disposition, as long as they have the capacity to reason, to know right from wrong. It may work that way in secular courts, but not in the court of the Just Judge.

[HarleyD]

I'm not creating any strawman. Look at what the Church's catechism states:

Called to Chastity (2358-2359)- The number of persons with homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They did not choose their condition and they must be accepted with respect.

This isn't anything different from what we're hearing from the gay right activists now-we are to respect them. I'm sorry but I cannot and will not respect sinful behavior. That isn't to say I don't understand why we sin. And I'm certainly sympathetic to their sinful condition because I understand my sinful condition. But do I respect and accept my sinfulness? No. Do you accept and respect your sinfulness? I hope not. How about our condition? Have we reached a point that we accept and respect our sinful condition? One would hope that we are asking God to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Not that we accept our nature with respect.

And that old tired argument that we're just attacking the Church is exactly that-old and tiring.

[conservonator]

You are reading into the statement something that is not there. And why did you edit the passage which reads in full:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination,which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Love the sinner, hate the sin, sound familiar? The person is more than one aspect of their being. someone born blind is not just a blind person. An alcoholic is more than a drunk. One may also be a husband, writer and a father. The other a pastor. Both are children of God and both are called to surpass their afflictions, biological or behavioural, and emulate Christ, be perfected in Christ.

And that old tired argument that we're just attacking the Church is exactly that-old and tiring.

Simple solution; quit attacking the Church with straw men and foolish arguments.

[HarleyD]

And why did you edit the passage which reads in full

I did post it in full earlier. There is no reason to keep posting this passage.

This inclination,which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.

This isn't a disorder. It isn't a "trial" for them. It is sin which they relish. And like any sin, it is open rebellion against God's natural order.

Love the sinner, hate the sin, sound familiar?

Yes it sure does...

Mat_7:11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Mat_12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

I can post literally hundreds of passages of God calling us evil, adulterous, etc. At the same time I can post literally hundreds of passages and examples of what our attitude should be to evil. Christians consistently mix charity towards others with acceptance. They are not the same. We hate sin. And while we understand our rebellion, we hate people who do sin-who rebel against God. Including ourselves. We don't love people who go into schools killing little kids. We should want them executed. And God tells us we should want them executed. We work toward helping others come to Christ so that they will be free from sin-not so that they can live with their sin. As Rose Sayer stated in The African Queen: "Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above."

Unfortunately many Christians think we should just accept ourselves for what we are. Hate the sin-love the sinner. I'm OK, you're OK. That is why many Christians become ensnared in the world. We love the things around us-including institutions which publishes false doctrine. Rather than call it out for what it is, they will defend it. This isn't any different than the Pharisees who pretended to be loving and understand all the while they plotted to kill our Lord Jesus.