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To: greyfoxx39
Denninger finally came out with his opinion:

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This is neither reasonable or Constitutional. In fact it is flatly unlawful and a direct violation of the rights of all citizens of the United States under color of law or authority -- and thus an act for which both civil and criminal liability attach under 18 USC 242 and 42 USC 1983.

Further, as an instrumentality of the Executive, and as these programs have featured prominently as admitted in The President's "Daily Briefing", culpability for this program reaches all the way to the President of the United States as Obama cannot claim that this program and it's breadth and depth were "conducted by staff members without his knowledge or consent."

This is an impeachable offense and, in my opinion, an indictable felony for each and every member of the government involved in it, including those members of Congress who have known about this program and not only refused to stop it but deliberately appropriated funds for its creation, expansion and continued funding.

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The key here is that thousands of people in the federal government have committed indictable felonies. Now the big question is: what happens?

We all know of course that nothing is going to happen, which is why the revelation is nothing compared to the future. Not only will tyranny be known & understood by all, but the sheer hubris of shoving the People's noses in sh!t will further embolden ever greater acts of atrocity.

193 posted on 06/10/2013 8:58:46 AM PDT by semantic
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To: semantic
Denninger finally came out with his opinion:

Thanks for the info.

Cut The Crap Obama -- And The NSA

"The seizure en-masse of data pertaining to the actions of persons not suspected of terrorism or other lawful reasons for the government to acquire and use said data is flatly unlawful as it violates The Constitution, irrespective of what pretense Mr. Douchenozzle Clapper may wish to try to arrogate to himself.

Likewise, the seizure of data from internet portals and providers, irrespective of how it is done, is unlawful if it takes place in the United States and is not supported by legal process permitted under the 4th Amendment.
Whether the data is at the time or subsequently searched is again immaterial.

James Sensenbrenner, the author of the Patriot Act, has acknowledged that The Patriot act never encompassed such a set of actions.

That's because it can't authorize such a set of actions, nor can FISA.

Programs that operate outside of the United States are arguably legal. However, to the extent that the data is seized in the United States or is between persons in the United States, then under the 4th Amendment a warrant must be issued BEFORE the seizure takes place.

Whether and/or when the data is searched is immaterial to the legality of seizing it; the 4th Amendment prohibits both suspicionless search and seizure.

Since by definition blanket seizure of records and data such as has now been disclosed to a nearly-exclusive extent seizes information from persons not under investigation for criminal activity and thus no probable cause exists there is no defense available to the NSA or anyone else for this activity."

278 posted on 06/10/2013 11:48:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks, Mitt.)
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