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To: Jeff Winston
No, they don't.

I know it feels to you like a knife in your back, but John Marshall and Bushrod Washington are busy twisting the blade.

I've read what they wrote, asshat.

And still incredulously you cannot believe they would betray you so horribly. And you thought they were your friends.

In fact, Marshall CONFIRMS the HISTORICAL UNDERSTANDING that "natural born citizen" means "citizen by birth," because he wrote a letter to James Bayard saying he'd read his book and found nothing in it to disagree with except that Congress didn't need permission from the States to build post and military roads.

No, this is just Jeff valiantly trying to reach for a straw that remains ever out of his grasp. You attribute too much import to Marshall's offhand comment that he couldn't remember anything in the book with which he disagreed, (not a very hearty endorsement in my opinion), and you do in fact ignore that Marshall was quite fond of quoting Vattel, and quoted him quite a lot. (From Ziegler's "International law of John Marshall")

Also, you further ignore the fact that being "born a citizen" at that time required a citizen father, and so therefore is nothing consequential in Bayard's comment.

You just stretch and twist in your attempts to force the meaning you want out of other people's words and if they don't say what you want, you torture them some more.

Here is Jeff and his allies at work on some poor words now.

And Bayard said EXPLICITLY that when it came to Presidential eligibility, you didn't have to be born in the United States;

And as I pointed out, Vattel says the same thing.

being a CITIZEN BY BIRTH was enough,

Sure, if you had a citizen father, you were a citizen at birth. All natural born citizens are "citizens by birth."

so children born citizens to US citizen parents abroad - JUST LIKE TED CRUZ, YOU ASSHAT - were ELIGIBLE.

Cruz was born to a parent, not parent(s). And the lesser one as well. Acts of congress do not alter the meaning of constitutional terms. Cruz would not be a citizen at all except for the act of Congress passed in 1934 which allowed women to pass on basic and conditional citizenship.

You are simply incapable of comprehending that an act of congress cannot make something "natural" which is not. It is a twisted little world you live in, and one without a solid foundation upon which to stand.

Today, "natural born" can mean one thing, and tomorrow it can be modified to mean something else. It's your twisty little worldview that is destroying our nation. The US Constitution is not a flexible rubber band, it is rigid and hard like steel, and cannot be bent or modified except by the most massive application of power; i.e. the Will of the States which form this Union.

Your view is a threat to our very existence.

69 posted on 05/30/2013 1:47:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Cruz was born to a parent, not parent(s). And the lesser one as well."

I've mostly stopped reading your crap, because that's all it is. But this particular turd caught my eye.

I doubt that the 50% or so of FReepers who are women would agree with you that mothers are the "lesser" parent.

To call you a jackass would be to denigrate a noble and useful animal.


71 posted on 06/01/2013 9:25:27 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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