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To: jpsb
How can Cruz be a natural born Canadian citizen (born in Canada) and a natural born US citizen? How can Cruz be a natural born Cuban citizen (father was Cuban citizen) and a natural born US citizen? Citizen at birth is not the same as natural born citizen.

Because (as noted by Bayard and approved by Chief Justice Marshall) "natural born citizen" only requires a person be a citizen at or by birth, and persons born US citizens overseas are eligible to be elected President.

This isn't any recent doctrine. Bayard wrote his Exposition of the Constitution in 1834.

There are people born on US soil, to citizen parents, who are BORN dual citizens with another country. Doesn't matter in the slightest. The laws of another country don't and can't specify whether a person is a natural born UNITED STATES citizen.

Don't let the birther propagandists tell you such dual citizenship disqualifies a person, either. It doesn't. That's not part of the specification.

In fact, 3 of our first 4 Presidents were dual citizens... WHILE SERVING AS PRESIDENT.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison were all citizens of France while serving as President. Such citizenship was given to them by the French legislature. Not one of them renounced it.

The Vattel birther meme is simply a false one, propped up by nothing more than propaganda and false arguments. It's been a false meme from the beginning, and it's time it ended.

Especially at a site where people value our history and our Constitution.

18 posted on 05/30/2013 5:53:49 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Because (as noted by Bayard and approved by Chief Justice Marshall) "natural born citizen" only requires a person be a citizen at or by birth, and persons born US citizens overseas are eligible to be elected President.

More blatant lying by Jeff Winston. Chief Justice John Marshall was a heavy advocate of Vattel, and cited him constantly in most of his decisions. Bayard said nothing in Conflict with Vattel, but you dishonestly portray what he said as supporting your stupid "LAWS OF THE ENGLISH KING" theory of United States Citizenship.

As a matter of fact, Marshall EXPLICITLY cited Vattel on having the BEST DEFINITION of Citizenship.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall.

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."

And the Authority of Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Marshall beats the ever living crap out of ANYBODY Jeff can put forth, and I haven't even pointed out that Justice Bushrod Washington (George Washington's Nephew) ALSO cited Vattel regarding citizenship!

41 posted on 05/30/2013 10:51:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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