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Please don't elevate him to the throne yet. As we know this throne has been dishonored beyond our wildest nightmares by a phony, halfrican-Muslim-Socialist. I like many here have rallied to a possible candidate who appears Conservative only to watch them either fall under the bus or be shoved. Rubio comes to mind as recent bitter examples.

Cruz appears much better than expected, as does Ron Paul; however he hasn't been around long enough as yet to prove his credentials or resolve. Unless this resolve is proven we could end up looking quite foolish.

At this point we have two seemingly great candidates: Cruz and Paul, but we need more time to test the bona fides. Looking over the roster and ACU voting records of Congressrats there are few to none worth the powder and lead.

1 posted on 05/30/2013 4:06:22 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I thought that the eligibility issue was very important because had everyone gotten on board and demanded the frauds real proof of eligibility, we likely would not have the mess he created and the danger he continues to pose to our country and the world.


2 posted on 05/30/2013 4:16:52 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: IbJensen
The corrupt MSM will do everything they can to destroy Cruz — everything. It will be daily expressions of faux outrage over what he's said or didn't say. Cruz will say something controversial and the corrupt MSM will use that to try and garrote him.

The corrupt MSM is in the very beginning stages of trying to do to Cruz what they did to Palin and others. It won't be long before Jon Stewart jumps on the pile along with Bill Maher in their scornful ridicule.

Next it will be Karl Rove who will provide damning praise for Cruz.

We will see who the cowards are who run away from Cruz and who the patriots are in the days and months ahead.

7 posted on 05/30/2013 4:53:09 AM PDT by Obadiah (What is twisted cannot be straightened...)
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If Ted Cruz and Ron Paul are the only two “good” choices, then we’re down to Ted Cruz.

And it seems impossible to get onto a Ted Cruz thread before the uninformed or willfully ignorant come out and proclaim him to be ineligible. He’s not. The message from our Founding Generation is that they intended those who were born citizens to be eligible to the Presidency.

This is shown several different ways. First, in John Jay’s letter that led to the qualification. He didn’t underline “natural” or the entire phrase. He underlined “BORN.”

Secondly, it’s obvious that the Framers of the Constitution believed that Congress had the ability to say who, born overseas to US parents, was eligible to the Presidency, since one of the things our very First Congress did was exactly that. They passed an Act proclaiming that the children born outside the United States to US citizens were to be considered NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, as long as their father had EVER lived in the US, and President Washington signed it into law the next day.

The extremely obvious effect of this “NATURAL BORN” declaration was to declare that such foreign-born US citizens would be eligible to be elected President one day. Between Congress and President Washington himself (who had presided over the Constitutional Convention) 40% of the Framers of the Constitution signed off on the law, without one person raising a single objection.

So it is completely, absolutely obvious that by “natural born citizen” the Framers did NOT mean “born on US soil to two US citizen parents.”

That a later Congress dropped the words “natural born” and said only that such persons were citizens, really doesn’t matter, either. And here’s why:

The historical understanding of “natural born citizen” throughout US history has always been that if a person is born a citizen, then he’s eligible to be President. This was always true both among lawyers, judges and politicians, and among the general public. And I can back this statement up with literally HUNDREDS of quotes.

It is clear, then, that - whatever the intentions of the Third Congress, who dropped the words “natural born” from the law - Congresses since then throughout US history who passed laws stating which children born to US citizens overseas were themselves citizens, had no intention to make such foreign-born US citizens ineligible to be President.

By this reasoning, Ted Cruz is eligible, and I have no doubt that our court system, including the Supreme Court, would affirm that he is.

Third, it was stated with absolute authority by William Rawle, extremely close associate of Washington, Franklin and half a dozen other Framers, that persons born on US soil were Constitutionally natural born citizens whether their parents were citizens or aliens.

Fourth, in the case of people like Ted Cruz, James Bayard wrote very specifically in his 1834 Brief Exposition of the Constitution of the United States that it was NOT necessary to be born in the United States in order to be Constitutionally eligible to be President. It was only necessary to be born a citizen, or to be a “citizen by birth.” This was an explicit declaration that people like Ted Cruz are eligible.

Bayard’s exposition was read and approved by none other than Chief Justice John Marshall, the “Great Chief Justice” who dominated the US Supreme Court for 35 years starting just 13 years after the Constitution was adopted.

If anyone was in a position to know what the Founders meant by the term, it was Marshall. From his approving letter to Bayard, it’s clear that he read Bayard’s book. And he would not have missed such an important matter as who was eligible to be President.

Fifth, all of the above is just the tiny tip of the iceberg when it comes to the historical and legal evidence that the Framers of the Constitution, and those who adopted it, did NOT mean a person had to be both born on US soil and have citizen parents to be eligible to be President. There are only two known legitimate sources from early America who ever claimed otherwise. Both are emphatically contradicted by far more credible authorities.

The first is David Ramsey, whose opinion on the matter was voted down 36 to 1 by our first House of Representatives, including Father of the Constitution James Madison and 5 other Framers. So obviously Ramsey was wrong.

The second is Samuel Roberts, a lower-court judge who presided over several COUNTIES in Pennsylvania, who stated that people born in the US to alien parents were not US citizens.

Roberts never had any responsibilities outside of the several-counties scope of his court, cited no authority for his comment, and (contrary to false claims by DiogenesLamp) did not speak with the authority of anyone other than himself. Specifically, he did NOT speak for the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. He mentioned their report in his book, but he clearly did not speak on their behalf.

Which brings us to the fact that birthers have made, and continue to make, literally DOZENS of false arguments to try and prop up their failed theory.

The real evidence, however (and I’ve presented only the tiniest portion of it here) is clear: The Founders and Framers intended that the President should be BORN a US citizen.

In terms of contemporary legal opinion, there doesn’t seem to be any major contemporary legal authority who says otherwise. Every major legal scholar seems to believe Cruz is eligible.

And they are correct.

As noted earlier in this thread, it’s still to early to say whether Ted Cruz would make a great President.

But we should dispense with the nonsense that Senator Cruz is not a viable and legal option.


8 posted on 05/30/2013 5:02:12 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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I think Cruz will leave a mark no matter what role he plays in our political landscape. He doesn’t have to be president to carry a big stick. I am just glad he’s in D.C.!


12 posted on 05/30/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by austinaero
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Cruz is being too cute by half on illegal immigration. He’s about where Rubio was until the last six months.

First, he’s for a massive amnesty by wanting to legalize the tens of millions of illegals already here.

Second, he wants to hide behind supposed tougher border enforcement provisions, when we already have all kinds of border and other enforcement provisions that are simply not enforced—no reason the same won’t happen again.

Third, the big push is getting them all legalized. Citizenship will be much easier to get through in subsequent legislation.

Fourth, he hasn’t actually said that he won’t vote for the current legislation as it stands—and he knows the Senate will pass it without his vote anyway.

Fifth, he’s la-la if he thinks we need more immigration, which is what he suggests. We have record levels of it now as it is, with less assimilation than ever before.

I don’t care how much he postures as some sort of principled ‘conservative’. His games on illegal immigration, as with Rubio’s, tell me all I need to know about a couple of overambitious pols climbing the GOP ladder.


20 posted on 05/30/2013 6:19:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To those of you who actually believe that Cruz is a 'natural born citizen', can you please answer one simple question. Under the rules of Constitutional construction, there is verba intelligi ut aliquid operantur debent, which means, words ought to be understood in order to give them meaning.

At www.constitution.org, it's described as following -
"None of the words are without force and effect, except those superseded by amendments, unless such amendments are repealed. Except for the statement of purpose in the preamble, every word was intended by the Framers to be legally normative, and not just advisory, declaratory, aspirational, or exhortatory.".

So my question to those of you who believe that Cruz is eligible to hold the office of POTUS, is simply this - what legal purpose do you ascribe the word "natural" in the term-of-art 'natural born Citizen' in the US Constitution?

To me it's clear, it means a Citizen according to Natural law. But if you believe Cruz is eligible to be President, then you must ascribe it some other purpose, and I'm curious as to what that purpose is.

Thanks, I'll be waiting (a long time I'm sure!) for your response.
25 posted on 05/30/2013 7:46:32 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: IbJensen

Conservatives and the GOP don’t need media help destroying our prospects; we do that ourselves.


37 posted on 05/30/2013 10:36:04 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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Some of us are familiar with Cruz's background and it is excellent!

He is doing exactly what we hoped he would do...voted for him to do.

BTW, he is brilliant.

40 posted on 05/30/2013 10:47:40 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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