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To: Christie at the beach

You said the Mormon church was complicit and when asked you said I was supposed to do the research.

that’s a waste of everyone’s time and attention and it is a play on words and logic.

State the facts of your accusations against the Mormon church or drop the slander, please and do keep me out of it.


79 posted on 05/27/2013 10:05:30 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

I will butt in and say that they’ve been careless about what spirit they follow.


83 posted on 05/27/2013 10:07:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: stanne
It does not matter to come before with a prepared speech. You believe in your thoughts and or allegiance as I will do so with mine. I do blame part of this on the director of the Boy Scouts who I read was a Mormon. I also read the Mormon Church was a major donor power in itself. I also said I believe that one group is not responsible for this total lack of distrust to moral standards. Don't ping me any longer. Your fairness from post one to me was not very clever. Disagreement means tolerance.
97 posted on 05/27/2013 10:32:48 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: stanne; Christie at the beach
79 You said the Mormon church was complicit and when asked you said I was supposed to do the research. That’s a waste of everyone’s time and attention and it is a play on words and logic. State the facts of your accusations against the Mormon church or drop the slander, please and do keep me out of it.

Just trying to lay out the facts ... make your own conclusions.

The LDS Church took a beating, from the inside and outside, for aggressively supporting Proposition 8 in CA during 2008. Since then, the Church has moved on to other battles in the cultural wars rather than to continue to take on the homosexual-rights activists for several reasons.

 Church leadership felt like it was left holding the financial bag after other evangelical denominations failed to come through with promised aid in the fight against Proposition 8. Top church officials were heavily involved in the creation of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), the primary player over the last decade in the fight to outlaw gay unions.

 Church leadership feared that continued support of anti-homosexualsexual marriage measures would continue to generate negative publicity which in turn would limit the ability of its farflung missionaries to engage potential converts.

 The Church wanted to be more welcoming to its members who are afflicted with same-sex attraction.

 There are, at least, 5 nationally prominent Mormons in the U.S. today.

1. Mitt Romney has had advocated for homosexual membership in the BSA since 1994 when he sat on the BSA National Executive Board. When he ran for the U.S. Senate against Ted Kennedy during the 1990s, he went to the left of Kennedy (if that was possible) on homosexual issues. When he took over leadership of the 2002 SLC Winter Olympic Committee he denied Boy Scouts from volunteering at Olympic venues. In the 1996, Boy Scouts volunteered in large numbers at the Atlanta Olympics. On his watch as governor of MA in 2004, it became the 1st state to legalize homosexual marriage. Church leadership did not want to harm Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign.

2. Harry Reed is a U.S. Senator (D-NV) and current Senate Majority Leader.

3. Glenn Beck is a libertarian/conservative talk radio host and media mogul. He announced his support for homosexual marriage in 2013.

4. Jon Huntsman Jr. is a past progressive governor (R-UT) and former ambassador to Red China under POTUS #44 BHO. In FEB 2013 he (1) announced his support of homosexual marriage and (2) signed the amicus brief of the plaintiff to oppose California’s Proposition 8.

5. Wayne Perry is the current BSA National President and co-owner of the Seattle Mariners. He personally pleaded the case with the Prophet of the LDS Church to support a change in BSA’s membership policy to accept homosexuals. This would be a major reversal of the Church’s position in 2000 when it heavily supported the BSA when the SCOTUS ruled in BSA’s favor in BSA v Dale.

162 posted on 05/27/2013 4:41:02 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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