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I am not familiar with the issues with Vatican II and its impact on America. When savagesusie opened up her piece with, "Marxist homosexuals (Cultural Marxists in 30’s) infiltrated everything (Bella Dodd’s Book)-—Atheists/Sodomites all/ Kinsey/Hefner/Friedan/Hay—all to destroy us from within," I thought this opened up an area that one could look at in reference to Vatican II. Was Vatican II infiltrated by Marxists? Vatican II is a subject I am totally unfamiliar as there is any push to reform the Church to its preVatican II culture.
From what I do know, the Catholic Church has been in a fight with these Marxist critters for a long time. The Church has done much to strengthen the family. For a good look read Pope Pius XI's Casti Conubii. I am confident the Catholic Church will fight the atheist/Marxists' effort to destroy the family and its sovereignty over children.
Destroying the Boy Scouts is just one more way they have taken away an important way families can influence the character of their children. If these totalitarians have their way, they will take children away from their parents by force to be indoctrinated by government forms of the Boy Scouts.
“Was Vatican II infiltrated by Marxists? Vatican II is a subject I am totally unfamiliar as there is . . .”
No. There is much propaganda out there hoping this is the case. The most reverent Churches(parishes) adhere to Vatican II and do so while invoking sacred music, Latin use, boys only on the altar, no Eucharistic ministers, etc. The most attendance of new orders, seminarians and nuns, are those which adhere to Catholic teaching and are fully cognizant of Vatican II.
the best way I, a lay person, can explain it to you is that Vatican II was brought about at a period of time in Western culture that was/is exploring the use of Communism. Many of the people within the Church brought in some practices of the outside secular culture that were damaging. The sex scandal is so extreme it bears another heading. In any case, Vatican II was, in a way, misinterpreted.
Many practicing Catholics have been separated from the teachings of the Church. But true catholic teaching is not communist nor is it in any way accepting of homosexual practices (its teaching on this is hate the sin live the sinner and help those afflicted with temptations)
Vatican II gave a lot of people excuses for leaving the church and for hating the Church when they know nothing about it.
Below are some recent citings on the pope, current and former.
also, there are encyclicals. Pope John Paul II wrote extensively in “Theology of the Body”, check, “Humanae Vitae”, and “On Human Sexuality”, all easily available with a google search all post Vatican II and all written by people who know the issues of the culture with extensive education in Western History.
Pope Benedict had regularly used the power of his pulpit to condemn marriage equality in the harshest of terms, most recently using the annual message of peace to say letting gays and lesbians marry is “an offence against the truth of the human person.”
and from the Huff Post, march 13, 2013:
“He was the visible face of the Catholic Church’s opposition to equal marriage and he approached it from a fundamentalist position, posturing that he had to wage a war of God against what he considered a plan of the devil,” said Esteban Paulon, president of the Argentine Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transsexuals.
. . . He recalls, for example, that when Bergoglio served as head of the Argentine conference of bishops for several years, he was a die-hard opponent of abortion, and argued against sex-education laws that permit free access to contraceptives and allow Argentines to determine their gender based on their self-identity instead of their biology.
I might also add that Vatican II council consisted of many theologians and philosophers. Among them the then Cardinal K. Vojtyla, the future Pope John Paul II, who was Polish and who witnessed the Nazi as well as the communist takeover of that country, and first hand.
many of his friends and family were killed in that situation, and because of it.
He knew the dangers as well as the philosophy of communism and Marxism better than people seem to want to know.
And this is from Wikipedia (don’t forget he’s up there with m Thatcher and Reagan):
“John Paul II was acclaimed as one of the most influential leaders of the 20th century. He is credited with helping to end Communist rule in his native Poland and eventually all of Europe. . . Though criticised for upholding the Church’s teachings against artificial contraception and the ordination of women, and for his support of the Church’s Second Vatican Council and its reform, he was also praised for his firm, orthodox Catholic stances. He is also renowned for his implementation of several papal documents pertaining to the role of the Church in the modern world”