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Video: Lerner takes the Fifth — or did she?
Hot Air ^ | 5-22-2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/22/2013 10:21:23 AM PDT by smoothsailing

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To: DoughtyOne

The following might be relevant:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022577/posts?q=1&;page=60#60


61 posted on 05/22/2013 11:32:58 AM PDT by kidd
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To: DoughtyOne; All
“I’m not an attorney. Perhaps someone can set me straight if I’m wrong.”

Rep Goudy was a Federal Prosecutor and he said that in giving her statement she had waived her right to claim the 5th.

62 posted on 05/22/2013 11:48:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

*Gowdy


63 posted on 05/22/2013 11:48:54 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: DoughtyOne; xzins; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; wmfights
It’s my understanding that once you testify at all, you lose your ability to claim the fifth.

If she was sworn in before making that statement, then she waived her fifth amendment rights as to anything in that statement.

She can't refuse to be cross examined on those questions and Issa should have issued a contempt of Congress citation and put her in jail under she answered every question that was relevant and on point as to the subject of her opening statement.

Her claim that she did nothing wrong and violated no laws was a waiver of any right she had not to testify. She did testify. I am disappointed in Issa on this, although he did state that the witness is subject to being recalled.

Is this just another dog and pony show, or are these guys serious?

64 posted on 05/22/2013 11:51:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

For a minute there I began to wonder if I had only thought it and not posted it. Here, I found it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022577/posts?page=30#30

No problem...


65 posted on 05/22/2013 11:56:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Beagle8U; kidd

Looks like we may have a conflict on interpretation.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022577/posts?q=1&;page=60#60

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022577/posts?page=62#62


66 posted on 05/22/2013 11:58:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m going back to the 90s for my answer. IMO they had the Clinton administration on the ropes a number of times. Then nothing.

I really gave up thinking House or Senate hearings would ever accomplish anything much.

Even the Articles of Impeachment were so watered down that it was a joke to even send them to the Senate.

There was so much more there, even that we were aware of. It mostly served to destroy my faith in our government.

Sadly, here we go again..., a chance to destroy this generations faith in government.


67 posted on 05/22/2013 12:02:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree with Gowdy, but I think that there is enough grey area here that the matter can be given better consideration.

There’s no need to rush that I can think of (as Issa reserved the right to recall Lerner for future testimony)


68 posted on 05/22/2013 12:04:18 PM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd; All

Here we go...

Lerner will be called back!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022621/posts?page=1


69 posted on 05/22/2013 12:05:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: smoothsailing
"Exactly, she set her own perjury trap. It may well be this out of control arrogance that brings them all down."

I doubt it. The Republican Party is
too wimpy to say or do anything about it.

There will be no impeachments.
There will be no prosecutions.

The wimpy Republicans will make some noises to get themselves some publicity, then quietly put their tails between their legs and slink away once the media starts calling them "racists."

70 posted on 05/22/2013 12:06:37 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s my understanding that once you testify at all, you lose your ability to claim the fifth.

I think you are mixing up a court trial with an investigation. During investigative questioning you can stop answering questions at any time you want.

If you take the stand in a trial you are fair game if you refuse to answer questions you are in contempt.

In this case there is no way to compel here to answer questions short of water boarding her.

71 posted on 05/22/2013 12:07:39 PM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: smoothsailing

She knew what she was doing. Yes, her opening statement will be purged, but none of the bells can be unrung.


72 posted on 05/22/2013 12:08:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Gay State Conservative

She did not break any laws. IF the President tell you to do something it’s not illegal. The patriot act made all this possible.


73 posted on 05/22/2013 12:08:43 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Cyber Liberty

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2013/may/22/congressman-trey-gowdy-checkmates-lois-lerner/


74 posted on 05/22/2013 12:14:01 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: usurper

There seems to be some disagreement on this. I’m not an attorney or an expert, so I’ll have to defer ultimately.

Check this out... (two opinions are expressed / polar opposites)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022577/posts?page=66#66


75 posted on 05/22/2013 12:14:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: Orange1998
IF the President tell you to do something it’s not illegal.

Except,perhaps,for uniformed members of the Armed Forces I suspect that you're wrong.

76 posted on 05/22/2013 12:15:43 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: DoughtyOne; kidd

It occurs to me, that by allowing her to make and statement and then allowing her to take the 5th, Issa is educating the low information voters on this issue as everyone yaps about is it right, legal or fair, etc.

This can easily gel public opinion even further against the IRS (and Obama) and then Issa can call her back to ask more pointed questions for her to plead the 5th on.

Maybe he is playing chess, when we want him to play checkers.


77 posted on 05/22/2013 12:54:32 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police canÂ’t solve a problem with brute force, theyÂ’ll find a way to fix it with brute forc)
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To: DoughtyOne
To claim the fifth, she should have taken a pass on the statement she made, and simply said she couldn’t testify because it might be self-incriminating.

Have you seen this woman in public speaking D1? She is absolutely so full of herself that she couldn't resist and I think Issa knew it.

If not recalled then Issa blew a great opportunity to spend just few minutes to get some powerful soundbites out of her. We'll see.

78 posted on 05/22/2013 1:03:12 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DoughtyOne
To claim the fifth, she should have taken a pass on the statement she made, and simply said she couldn’t testify because it might be self-incriminating.

Have you seen this woman in public speaking D1? She is absolutely so full of herself that she couldn't resist and I think Issa knew it.

If not recalled then Issa blew a great opportunity to spend just few minutes to get some powerful soundbites out of her. We'll see.

79 posted on 05/22/2013 1:03:31 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: houeto

Damn doubles...


80 posted on 05/22/2013 1:26:44 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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