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To: Jeff Winston
Can a natural born citizen lose his natural born citizenship? Yes, or no.

Playing the "Yes" or "No" game? Really?

A "natural citizen" cannot lose his citizenship through neglect. Congress cannot describe requirements for him to be a citizen. Congress CAN set the requirements for statutory citizens.

Ergo... "Statutory" < "Natural."

220 posted on 05/13/2013 11:59:59 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Playing the "Yes" or "No" game? Really?

Yes, really. I'm trying to bring things down to your level.

A "natural citizen" cannot lose his citizenship through neglect. Congress cannot describe requirements for him to be a citizen. Congress CAN set the requirements for statutory citizens.

In 1907, Congress pass an "Expatriation Act" which said that American women who married foreigners lost their United States citizenship.

Under this Act, a woman could be born in the little town of Lebanon, Kansas (recognized as the geographic center of the 48 States), to citizen parents whose parents were in turn US citizens. She could marry the Frenchman who had moved to Lebanon, never leave town in her life, and would have lost her natural born United States citizenship.

The United States Supreme Court upheld the law.

Now I agree that that decision was wrong.

But your claim, the entire point of this conversation, was that because the Supreme Court said that Congress could set conditions under which a person born a citizen abroad might lose his citizenship, "demonstrated conclusively" that citizenship at birth was not the same as natural born citizenship.

The claim, like virtually everything else you post, is bullsh*t.

Ergo... "Statutory" < "Natural."

40% of the Signers of the Constitution passed a law in which they stated that children born US citizens abroad were eligible to be President. So either your statement above is FALSE, or they were simply declaring what the law already was.

If your statement is FALSE, then by definition you are spinning bull****.

If they were simply declaring what the law already was, then "natural born citizen" always included the children born citizens abroad to US citizens, so your stupid definition is wrong.

Either way: 40% of the Signers of the Constitution say your words are bull****.

225 posted on 05/13/2013 2:05:08 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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