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To: Jeff Winston
Okay. So Lysander Spooner (who by the way is probably the weakest authority in the entire list of at least 30 quotes,

What, you consider the Marquis De Lafayette's Aid to be a good authority? Or what some Spanish guy said? You are a laugh a minute!

I debated about even leaving him in, but hey, he's still better than most of the crap you post) left out the extremely small exception of children of diplomats.

So, if he left that out, then it demonstrates that his is a short-hand definition, and not a complete one. This is the general rule throughout history, yet you seize on these incomplete definitions all the time so as to pretend they support you. Kinda like you did with John Bingham, and the Naturalization act of 1790.

I notice you don't have much else to say.

Quality, not quantity. You've got the quantity side covered.

I find it very difficult to believe you've actually talked yourself into believing this crap. You've seen the evidence.

Yes I have. All the stuff you call "evidence" comes from post hoc Lawyers not connected with the Deliberations. All the stuff *I* have traces right back to the men who created and ratified the Constitution. Apart from that, Your theory yields idiotic (Anchor babies) and Paradoxical (Slaves and Indians) results, and the founders were not so stupid.

You know that your claim doesn't have a leg to stand on. Not really. You can hardly make a case without twisting somebody's words, and ignoring all of the straightforward, untwisted evidence.

You sound like you are trying to convince yourself, you certainly aren't convincing me. You talk about twisting words, just after you tried to argue that the "Sons of Freeholders" isn't referring to citizens? Chutzpah you've got. Intellectual honesty? Not a drop.

182 posted on 05/12/2013 10:10:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
What, you consider the Marquis De Lafayette's Aid [sic] to be a good authority?

I certainly do. The Marquis de Lafayette served as a served as a Major-General in the Revolutionary War under George Washington. He fought Cornwallis at Yorktown. He was a personal friend of our first SIX Presidents, and is known to have gone and visited them personally. He was declared a natural born citizen of the State of Maryland, so he had damn good reason to know what the term meant. And Lafayette's aide was with by his side as he spent time with several of those Presidents.

So yes. The Marquis de Lafayette, and his aide, were in a damn good position to know exactly what the Founders and Framers meant by "natural born citizen."

188 posted on 05/12/2013 6:37:20 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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