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US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898):
[An alien parent’s] “allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject.’”

“’Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries,
’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’”

“…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.”

“The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”

When you combine the ruling above with the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause: “ALL (not some, not everyone except presidents and vice-presidents but ALL) persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Then you have the legal, Constitutional and historical/traditional basis for my point of view as a conservative who supports the Constitution, the law of the land and traditional precedent.

My end game is to have the strongest conservative candidate with the best chance to win run against the Democratic nominee in 2016. If that candidate happens to be Ted Cruz, so be it. If it happens to be Rand Paul or someone else, I’m fine with that too.
I know of very few Americans of any political leaning who would judge a candidate by their parents’ place of birth. One American born parent is good enough for me. I judge the candidate, not the family history.

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”—James Madison, Founder, Framer, President and “Father of the Constitution”


93 posted on 05/09/2013 10:59:00 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
In United States v. Wong Kim Ark

The term "citizen" as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term subject in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people - and he who before was a "subject of the king" is now "a citizen of the State."

Gray is citing State v. Manuel, an 1838 case before the North Carolina Supreme Court.

The following is the first portion of the paragraph containing the sentence cited:

It has been said that before our Revolution, free persons of colour did not exercise the right of voting for members of the colonial legislature. How this may hvae been, it would be difficult at this time to ascertain. It is certain however that very few, if any, could have claimed the right of suffrage, for a reason of a very different character than the one supposed. The principle of freehold suffrage seems to have been brought over from England with the first colonists, and to have been preserved almost invariably in the colony ever afterwards. In the act of 1743, ch. 1, (Swan's Revisal, 171,) it will be seen that a freehold of fifty acres was necessary to entitle the inhabitant of a county to vote, and by the act of 2d Sept. of 1746, ch. 1, Ibid. 223, the freeholders only of the respective towns of Edenton, Bath, Newbern and Wilmington were declared entitled to vote for members of the Colonial Legislature. The very Congress which framed our constitution, was chosen by freeholders. That constitution extended the elective franchise to every freeman who had arrived at the age of 21, and paid a public tax; and it is a matter of universal notoriety that under it, free persons without regard to colour, claimed and exercised the franchise until it was taken from free men of colour a few years since by our amended constitution. But surely the possession of political power is not essential to constitute a citizen. If it be, then women, minors, and persons who have not paid public taxes are not citizens - and free white men who have paid public taxes and arrived at full age, but hove not a freehold of fifty acres, inasmuch as they may vote for one branch and cannot vote for the other branch of our legislature, would be in an intermediate state, a sort of hybrids between citizens and not-citizens. The term "citizen" as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term subject in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people - and he who before was a "subject of the king" is now "a citizen of the State." Considering therefore the defendant as having a right to the protection of the clauses in the constitution and declaration of rights on which he relies, we proceed to the examination of the alleged repugnancy between these and the act of 1831. The 39th section of the constitution is in these words: "The person of a debtor, where there is not a strong presumption of fraud, shall not be continued in prison after delivering up bona fide all his estate, real and personal for the use of his creditors in such manner as shall be hereafter regulated by law."

It is quite clear that Judge Gaston's references to "our law" and "our constitution" are references to the statutes and Constitution of North Carolina. As North Carolina has a reception statute the cited sentence is true in North Carolina. The same can not be said for the federal government which does not incorporate common law via Constitution, reception statute, or other method. The founding principle of the federal government is "the law of nature and nature's god", as such it differs from the states. The cited sentence is inapplicable to the federal government.

94 posted on 05/09/2013 11:06:32 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Nero Germanicus
"When you combine the ruling above with the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause: “ALL (not some, not everyone except presidents and vice-presidents but ALL) persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Then you have the legal, Constitutional and historical/traditional basis for my point of view as a conservative who supports the Constitution, the law of the land and traditional precedent."

Tch tch mon adversaire. The topic is "natural born citizen"

96 posted on 05/09/2013 11:16:07 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Nero Germanicus
US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)
"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."
"The single question" asked and answered required one's parents to be permanently domiciled in the U.S. at the time of one's birth to be granted birthright U.S. citizenship.

Obama's father was never permanently domiciled in the U.S.

109 posted on 05/10/2013 5:45:04 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Nero Germanicus
Your end game is merely your desired political outcome.
131 posted on 05/10/2013 8:04:25 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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