I concur.
That even bears repeating.
Because that was the original meaning of the term. Beyond any reasonable doubt, the meaning of natural born citizen was the same as natural born subject, only changing the final descriptor. And that definition, without any doubt, included those born in the realm to aliens.
There is SOME question if the statues passed by Parliament had any bearing. But the standard legal reference of the time, Blackstone, included those born overseas to British parents as natural born subjects. So that is reasonably the meaning as understood by the writers, and by the legislators voting to ratify it.
Implication: Ted Cruz is eligible to be President.
Remember, there is only ONE distinction between a NATURALIZED citizen and one born a citizen - the latter can be President. Since every other office was open to naturalized citizens, and since the original draft would have allowed naturalized citizens to be President, and since naturalized citizens who were alive when the Constitution was ratified were allowed...it really seems to me the intent was to prevent a naturalized citizen from moving to America, being naturalized, and then made President.
Absolutely. Particularly, members of British or European royalty.
Why do YOU believe Hillary Clinton would be a better President and more loyal American than Ted Cruz?!!!!!!
It seems to me that in a great many instances, immigrants and their children have a greater appreciation for our country, and a greater loyalty to our nation, than some of the natives do. Because they know what the alternative is.
And that's not an argument that immigrants should be eligible to be President. I wouldn't be in favor of that change. I am in favor of having the President be born a citizen. But I certainly wouldn't hesitate to vote for someone like Ted Cruz, as long as he has the right head on his shoulders.
To my post #81 I received the following comments:
Germanicus: “One American born parent is good enough for me.”
“’Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; …” (Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a)
Winston: “And that’s not an argument that immigrants should be eligible to be President. I wouldn’t be in favor of that change. I am in favor of having the President be born a citizen. But I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to vote for someone like Ted Cruz, as long as he has the right head on his shoulders.”
“birthers”
“Because it’s all BS”
.”…not the SLIGHTEST chance…”
“…it’s not what it has EVER meant.”
“…is mislead people.”
“…pushing this Constitutional BS are completely aware that it IS BS.”
“They just want to con people.”
“…making conservatives look like idiots.”
Rogers: “Beyond any reasonable doubt, the meaning of natural born citizen was the same as natural born subject, only changing the final descriptor.”
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Let me try to summarize what it appears you believe, based on what you’ve posted:
Citizen = Subject, therefore natural born subject = natural born citizen, therefore we are subjects of the government (“…only changing the final descriptor.”).
and/or
Calling people names, ad hominem attacks and capital letters are the way to win arguments.
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“Why do YOU believe Hillary Clinton would be a better President and more loyal American than Ted Cruz?!!!!!!”
I don’t and never said I did. Nice try, though. However, if the definition of natural born citizen is born in the country to two citizen parents, Hillary is eligible and Cruz is not. Whether Hillary ever becomes president is up to low information voters – I can only cancel out the vote of one of them.
Others have posted citations and analyses implying that NBC is a citizen born in the counrty to two citizen parents. You and others have posted citations and analyses implying that NBC is everything else. Obviously, this is an unsettled question or we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
I’ll go back to my original (Post 81) question: Why would any American support a position that would allow the President of the United States of America to legally be subject to a foreign power?
Mr. Rogers, I hope you did (do) well on your test (from a post a couple days ago) and are accepted by the college of your choice. Good luck.