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To: Ray76

I didn’t post a straw man.

I simply pointed out that the passage nowhere said that only the sons of freeholders were citizens.

That is what it would HAVE to have said, in order for DL’s claim to be true.

A straw man is when you claim that someone said something stupid other than what they actually said.

I never did that.

But YOU just did. You falsely claimed that I said DL said the passage said that only the sons of freeholders were citizens.

I NEVER MADE SUCH A CLAIM.

So when you falsely said that I said something I never said, YOU MADE A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT.

You then proceeded to call me an idiot. You called me an idiot before I called you one.

As for DiogenesLamp, his comment was IDIOTIC. So that is why I called HIM an idiot.

I hope we’re done now, because I won’t be posting for a while, because I am going to be on the road for a while.


297 posted on 05/11/2013 5:26:50 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Keep talking, you’re only digging a deeper hole.


298 posted on 05/11/2013 5:33:43 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston
Post 232, quoting James Wilson
A citizen then—to draw his description as one of the people—I deem him, who acts a personal or a represented part in the legislation of his country. He has other rights; but his legislative I consider as his characteristic right. In this view, a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union: for the members of the house of representatives in the national legislature are chosen, in each state, by electors, who, in that state, have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.c In this view, a citizen of Pennsylvania is he, who has resided in the state two years; and, within that time, has paid a state or county tax: or he is between the ages of twenty one and twenty two years, and the son of a citizen.
Only the sons of freeholders were citizens? Such was never the claim.

What this demonstrates, which you fail to understand and so spectacularly misconstrued, is that a son of a citizen is a citizen without operation of statute.

The son of an alien naturalizes upon the naturalization of the father, by operation of statute.

According to the above, you could become a naturalized citizen of Pennsylvania by residing in the state two years and paying a state or county tax.

The son of a citizen has no such requirement, no statutes, no particular action, but he is a citizen. Such is a natural born citizen.

302 posted on 05/11/2013 6:40:47 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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