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To: Lurker

Precisely right. Once a person is naturalized, they are a citizen and afforded the rights of citizenship. If we do as that idiot Graham would have us do, we would give the government the ability to revoke the rights and protections of citizenship "ex post facto" at their collective whim. With his pen he would degrade us from "citizens" to "subjects". Graham is a traitor to "We the People". If you feel like a certain group is too dangerous to keep as citizens, don't make them citizens in the first place! But once you make that mess, you have to clean it up within Constitutional constraints.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 12:28:07 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
8 USC § 1451 - Revocation of naturalization
(c) Membership in certain organizations; prima facie evidence If a person who shall have been naturalized after December 24, 1952 shall within five years next following such naturalization become a member of or affiliated with any organization, membership in or affiliation with which at the time of naturalization would have precluded such person from naturalization under the provisions of section 1424 of this title, it shall be considered prima facie evidence that such person was not attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States and was not well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States at the time of naturalization, and, in the absence of countervailing evidence, it shall be sufficient in the proper proceeding to authorize the revocation and setting aside of the order admitting such person to citizenship and the cancellation of the certificate of naturalization as having been obtained by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation, and such revocation and setting aside of the order admitting such person to citizenship and such canceling of certificate of naturalization shall be effective as of the original date of the order and certificate, respectively.

8 USC § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

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(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 12:33:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: so_real

I agree with your sentiment, but let me put forth the following.

If you let them grant naturalized citizenship to every jihadist they want and fail to distinguish between natural born and naturalized citizens and the threats they pose, you will lose exactly the Constitutional protections you are concerned about preserving.

Naturalization is a process, not a sacred rite. It can fail, as in this case. To not account for that in law is disasterous. True home-grown threats can exist, of course, but to not recognize the increased threat of foreign immigrants is to invite no end to these attacks, all with the naieve mis-applications of undesrved Constitutional protections.

I understand the “slippery slope”, but consider this “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. Make the right decision, now, about what naturalization really means, and you will preserve your rights far better than mis-applying protections to those out to destroy you. I am not entirely sure that the Government does not even already know the risk these radical imports represent, and sees this muddying of the waters as a way to encroach on our liberties.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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