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To: JohnPDuncan
Changing regimes is not the business of the USG... how’d you like the Chinese gov deciding it wanted to change the US regime?

LOL. You are indeed uniformed and ignorant about history. The Soviet Union said they would bury us. Many countries have said they will wipe us off the face of the Earth with NK being the latest. Chairman Mao was no shrinking violet when it came to letting his views known about what he would like to do with the US.

Regimes that pose a threat to this country should be changed. We can do that a number of ways overtly and covertly.

The USG as prescribed by the constitution is to provide for a national defense not change regimes in hellholes around the world.

The US is the leader of the Free World. We have always sought to defend human rights, freedom, and liberty. We have liberated hundreds of millions from tyranny. I lived a few years in Communist Poland. They deeply appreciate the efforts of Reagan, Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II to free them from the Soviets. You don't have a clue what it is like to live in these hellholes. I also was stationed four years in Berlin including when Reagan stood at the Berlin wall and urged Gorbachev to tear down this wall.

Here is a Dem President, JFK, articulating what America stands for:

"There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world. Let them come to Berlin.

There are some who say that Communism is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin.

And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin.

And there are even a few who say that it is true that Communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin.

Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us.

I want to say, on behalf of my countrymen, who live many miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last 18 years.

I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for 18 years that still lives with the vitality and the force, and the hope and the determination of the city of West Berlin.

While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system, for all the world to see, we take no satisfaction in it, for it is, as your mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.

What is true of this city is true of Germany - real, lasting peace in Europe can never be assured as long as one German out of four is denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice.

In 18 years of peace and good faith, this generation of Germans has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with good will to all people.

You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main.

So let me ask you as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.

Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free.

When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe.

When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades.

All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner".

NK is a tough one but guess who gave them the nuke technology: China via Bill Clinton. Another success for US foreign policy. NK is an impoverished state. They’re nothing to worry about... just threats and bluster for food and aid.

You sir are a fool. The US is not the reason why there are bad actors in this world. You are spouting this leftist drivel straight out of Howard Zinn. This discussion is ended. I think you would be better served and welcomed on a liberal site. I don't believe you are a Robert Taft conservative or any kind of conservative.

293 posted on 04/21/2013 8:33:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Better on a liberal site? Are you kidding?

I’m a staunch conservative who wants to see hardly any Federal government. I want to see it stripped back to its constitutional bare bones. No where in the constitution does it say the US is leader of the Free World. The founders certainly never had that vision of America. That’s your distorted vision.

It’s actually liberal Republicans who were pro-war in the 1940’s and you accuse me of being liberal!

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Taft believed that America should avoid any involvement in European or Asian wars and concentrate instead on solving its domestic problems. He believed that a strong U.S. military, combined with the natural geographic protection of the broad Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, would be adequate to protect America even if the Nazis overran all of Europe. Between the outbreak of war in September 1939 and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941 Taft opposed nearly all attempts to aid Allied forces fighting the Nazis in Europe. His outspoken opposition to aiding the Allied forces earned him strong criticism from many liberal Republicans, such as Wendell Willkie and Thomas E. Dewey, who felt that America could best protect itself by fully supporting the British and their allies. Although Taft fully supported the American war effort after Pearl Harbor and the declaration of war on Japan by the U.S. Congress on December 8, 1941, he continued to harbor a deep suspicion of American involvement in postwar military alliances with other nations, including NATO. Taft’s was one of the few voices during the Second World War in opposition to Japanese American internment.

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296 posted on 04/22/2013 4:20:05 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: kabar

I also like how you accuse me of being liberal but your quoting the liberal New Englander JFK at me. Nice logic sir.


297 posted on 04/22/2013 4:20:51 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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