Posted on 04/20/2013 3:49:03 AM PDT by NYer
Considering how gorgeous Japanese women are, by and large, and what excellent wives they make, all this is a little surprising, IMO.
Since decreased population results in decreased consumption which leads to decreased production which usually translates into decreased poluttion, I feel some kind of Al Gore International Green Climate Improvement Award coming up for Japan.
The USA has eliminated 55 million taxpayers by killing them in the womb, while the burden of medical care and social security for the elderly grows more burdensome by the day. Government based on buying votes is doomed to failure.
Everything is super expensive there, housing is a joke. I wonder how could they afford to have children earlier.
***Government based on buying votes is doomed to failure.***
Also playing God by artificially manipulating procreation through contraception, abortion, homosexual coupling, IVF, rental wombs, eggs and sperm donation.
In a few decades there will be no ‘natural’ families. Humans will be required to register sperm and eggs to eliminate ‘incestuous’ pregnancies, similar to the former ‘blood tests’ for a marriage license.
“Considering how gorgeous Japanese women are, by and large, and what excellent wives they make, all this is a little surprising, IMO.”
I’ve followed this over the years. Japanese women are westernizing. They don’t like the traditional submissive role and have been forgoing marriage so they won’t be forced into that role. Also, I’d guess the expense of having children in an increasingly wealth obsessed world may play a role. A family of four living in less space than my living room doesn’t sound appealing. Oh, and that space would be worth more than all of my assets put together.
I suspect that Japan will lead the world in robot design and production. Eventually, there will be a handful of Japanese and they’ll control robot workers and a robotic military.
The population of America has more than doubled in my lifetime.
One modern robot working 24/7 can compensate for a whole lot of workers producing widgets. The idea of paying unsupportable levels to pensioners and healthcare providers by increasing population with more workers who do not produce enough to cover both their own and their parents entitlements deserves the name, "Ponzi scheme."
must be all the cosplay.
” A family of four living in less space than my living room doesn’t sound appealing. Oh, and that space would be worth more than all of my assets put together.”
Domo for your excursion into super hyperbole ...
And they will bring in legions of semi skilled healthcare workers from the Caribbean and Africa to look after their old timers.
Eh, if they don’t use robots.
Their population will even out and become relatively stable. Population decline is not necessarily a bad thing
Import some muslims, it is working well in Europe, if population is your main concern.
Japan’s population is decreasing because its society is rife with hedonism and the younger generations are more interested in the pursuit of pleasure than the responsibility of family. They also have very restrictive immigration policies that limit their ability to increase their population.
Yea, Japan! The world is overpopulated. I hope the rest of Asia and Africa will quickly follow Japan's lead, because all those children are taking up space that could be filled with something I like better, and they're using up resources that really ought to go to better people, like me. (/Gates Foundation)
I’ve thought about this for some time, I believe that all so-called first world nations are heading this way. And it’s because of a number of factors.
There are more “things” vying for people’s attention besides sex.
Pornography - It has the tendency to make sex with your spouse seem not as exciting as what you just watched on the screen. This applies to singles trying to find a spouse also, no one seems to come up to the same standards as what is on the screen.
Taxes and cost of living - It’s become more and more expensive to have a spouse let alone have children.
Perceived value of children - In an agrarian or pre-industrial society children have immediate value to families as “free” labor. In a “modern” society children are mostly just “there” as both Mother and Father work to bring in enough money for food, shelter and “things”.
I’m not counting the Welfare class in this, Children in that class mean Ka-ching for their mothers. Females are valued for that and Males are just sperm-donors or in Jail.
(Huge Generalization there, folks).
Robotics and Automation in General also mean that workers at all levels are less needed.
So if you follow all of these trends, then in a Post-industrial society you should see population collapse occur and then rebound to the level required to sustain that society.
In the case of a total civilization crash, you should see Children once again valued and needed as labor as “someone” has to work the fields to bring in the crops for food.
I’m sure there are lots of other factors but these are the ones that came to mind the quickest for this post.
It’s much more likely the insane over-crowding is the problem. Much more likely.
And I’ve said before that Japans restrictive immigration policies are “Smarter than most all of the Western nations...combined.
“Pornography - It has the tendency to make sex with your spouse seem not as exciting as what you just watched on the screen. “
There was a biologist on Seth Shotak’s radio program almost 10 years ago who wrote a book on this subject and more.
He was interesting.
(” A family of four living in less space than my living room doesn’t sound appealing. Oh, and that space would be worth more than all of my assets put together.”
Domo for your excursion into super hyperbole ...)
In Osaka Metropolitan Area:
The average price of new condominium units fell by 3.2% to JPY457,000 (US$5,882) per sq. m. during the year to August 2012.
The average price of existing condominium units fell 1.6% to JPY239,000 (US$3,076) per sq. m. over the same period.
My living room measures 9.14m x 5.79m= 52.93 m2 52.93 m2 x $5,882 = $311,343.
My house is a double-wide with a kick 18 miles outside of town on 6 acres of woods located on a lake. I bought it in 2005 for $148,000. It is now worth perhaps $90,000. (The roads to it are dirt, which drives down the price. Also, my neighbors hang deer from trees and make their own sausages.)
Add together all of my assets, including my depleted 401k and we’d be within a few bucks of the price of a modest apartment in Osaka.
If, however, we go to Tokyo, all bets are off:
In Tokyo Metropolitan Area:
The average price of new condominium units dropped 5.1% y-o-y to JPY691,000 (US$8,894) per square metre (sq. m.) in August 2012, based on figures released by the Land Institute of Japan (LIJ).
The average price of existing condominium units dropped 3.3% to JPY380,000 (US$4,891) per sq. m. during the year to August 2012, its 14 consecutive month of annual price falls.
The average price of detached houses was down by 1.7% to JPY31,770,000 (US$408,901) over the same period.
http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Asia/japan/Price-History
Frankly, I love my house. I wouldn’t want to live in the city if you gave me the apartment.
If you consider the cost of the apartment in Tokyo, how would you raise two children and keep up the rent? That has to be a big part of their demographic bust. However, like all problems, you can’t focus on just one aspect and expect the problem to go away.
Keigu,
Gen.blather
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