However in the latest report on WaPo, I noticed the following:
‘Also Friday, the FBI confirmed that its agents in Boston had interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the request of a foreign government. A law enforcement official said the request came from the Russian government, concerned about Tsarnaev’s potential ties to Chechen terrorists. But, after that interview, the FBI did not follow him further, officials said.’
.....which seems to suggest that despite their ages, there were some obvious links - to the Russians, anyway, then missed or just ignored our end. I doubt the Russian government makes requests such as this to the FBI on a routine basis or without some kind of evidence to support it.
More and more, it’s looking like these guys are the Muslim equivalent of James Holmes or the Columbine killers, spree killers with no religious motive, except these Chechens were slightly less indiscriminate.
Yes after their ilk collaborated with the nazis. I guess they danced with the wrong devil (Stalin being the other one) like their brethren the Bosnian Muslims who, while the Orthodox Serbs formed a strong resistance against the Nazis, formed 2 SS divisions to Jihad Nazi style in WW II.
Frickin circus clowns...
Overheard on the interwebs:
When one Fox host described the culprits as “punks,” former-senator and current current Fox commentator Scott Brown said, “Not punks—cowards. Cowards.” What is this need to describe terrorists as cowards? Is it supposed to make them feel inadequate? Call them savages, called them maniacal killers; no need to call them cowards. At the same time, the newscasters talk about how Boston residents were “terrorized” and “living in fear for the past few days.” Were they really? I think it’s unseemly to be terrorized by any problem a sidearm should be able to handle. If Bostonians were terrorized, I would apply the term cowards to them.
Of course, for fatuousness, you can always rely on Obama. As he said in his speech yesterday, “Over successive generations, [Boston has] welcomed again and again new arrivals to our shores; immigrants who constantly reinvigorated this city and this commonwealth and our nation.”
[Yes, by all means let’s bring over more wonderful immigrants from places like Chechnya. Who could possibly object?]
And then, “If they sought to intimidate us, to terrorise us, to shake us from those values that Deval described, the values that make us who we are as Americans, well, it should be pretty clear by now that they picked the wrong city to do it. Not here in Boston.”
[Right—Boston, the city that entirely shut itself down for nearly 24 hours to search for two bombers, wasn’t intimidated. And didn’t the CNN correspondents tell us its citizens were terrorized?]
And finally, “But more than that, our fidelity to our way of life, for a free and open society, will only grow stronger, for God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but one of power and love and self-discipline.”
[Meanwhile, stay tuned for a bunch of restrictions on your Constitutional rights I plan to make in reaction to the bombing—no use letting a crisis go to waste.]
Chechnya is the ne plus ultra exemplar of the mountain bandit culture. Like the Bomb Brothers, Chechens tend to be brave, aggressive, macho, uncooperative, thieving (the Bomb Mom is wanted for shoplifting), and vicious.
All over the world, it's common for people who live in highly defensible positions, such as mountains, to raid their neighbors, then beat it back to their geographically complex and daunting home turf. As Thomas Babington Macaulay pointed out, his Scottish Highlander ancestors were "Gaelic marauders" preying upon the lowland Scots and the northern English until they overreached and invaded central England in 1745 under Bonnie Prince Charlie. After that, the furious English finally crushed the Highlands' mountain bandit culture.
Other mountain bandit cultures include the Pathans of the mountains dividing Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Pathan culture is remarkably dysfunctional, while the Chechen culture, while constantly infuriating to their neighbors, makes for competent, cohesive raiding parties. Thus, Chechen guerrillas repeatedly humiliated Russia in the 1990s. Much of Putin's prestige among Russians owes to his finally paying back in 1999 the insults Russia endured at the hands of this tiny breakaway nationality of less than two million people.
I feel sorry for the Chechens that, due to a Leninist technicality, they didn't get their own country when the Soviet Union broke up, while the Georgians, Azerbaijanis, and Armenians on the south side of Caucasus Mountains got independence. But, I also understand why the lowlanders, as in Britain after 1745, periodically get fed up with the highlanders' predation.
But, mostly, I don't want Chechens' problems in my country, and thus I don't want them in my country.
Back to the NYT oped: what's a more accurate word to link to Chechens:
“refugee.” Perhaps 20 percent, perhaps more, of all Chechens have left Chechnya in the last 20 years.Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston bombings, was born to a Chechen family. He was just a baby when Boris N. Yeltsin sent tanks to subdue his rebellious nation. At this point, we know very little about the suspect’s motivations. It’s unclear how much time, if any, he’d spent in Chechnya,
None. He lived in Kyrgyzstan and Dagestan before coming to the United States. The U.S. is a lot nicer place to live than Kyrgyzstan or Dagestan (in Russia, next door to Chechnya) but they weren't usually war zones, except when Chechen raiding parties kidnapped Dagestanis. Their parents recently moved back to Dagestan, probably to escape the Bomb Mom's criminal charges here, so it can't be so awful.
while he spent years living in the United States. All we know is that, for his generation, Chechnya has always been a place of violence, abductions, widows, orphans and rape: a place to escape from, not to go home to.
Dzhokhar, with his boy band sensitive looks, might have been able to get off with, say, a 10-year-sentence if he'd given up peacefully and blamed it all on his thuggish big brother. A jury with a lot of women on it might have melted for a well-coached Oprah-ready story. But, no true Chechen would do something so womanly and dishonorable, so Dzhokhar blasted away when he was finally located.
... In 2008, I spent a month traveling through Europe’s Chechen diaspora, trying to understand how the people had been affected by what they had survived. I met Birlant and her husband, Musa, in the town of Terespol, the entry point for Chechens coming to claim asylum in Poland. Birlant’s father and brother had been shot in front of her. Now she lived in a bleak hostel in a pine forest, along with 48 other Chechen families, and hated it there; they wanted to go to Austria.“If you cannot treat people like people, then why won’t they let us go to a country that will?” asked Musa.It was a sentiment I often heard. Wherever they were, they wanted to go somewhere else, do something else, be someone else. Could I take them to London? Perhaps life was better where I lived. Musa called me for years after that one brief meeting, from Helsinki, from Stockholm, from Oslo, never sounding any happier. ...But there was enough in America already to alienate young men like Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and all the other mass murderers in recent history. There are enough weapons to kill anyone you want, and a madman can always find an excuse for murder if he looks for one.
There are only about 200 Chechens in the United States, so 1% of all Chechens here have turned out to be spectacular terrorists.
This is all pure speculation. I won’t believe any of it until I hear it from Dr Phil.
On the quaint Chechen custom of bride napping:
From him I learned that one of the things that Chechens liked to steal from their neighbors was girls. That’s how the majority of Chechens gets married. Some of them are even blond because of this. In fact, it became so normal, that this is how the majority of Chechen girls got married too. I must stress that being kidnapped is not a symbolic marriage ritual in that culture. The girl and her family really don’t know who’s gonna grab her and when. The families even take some lethargic steps to attempt to prevent this.
It’s important to note that, according to Chechen culture, real men don’t kidnap their brides on foot. They must be riding something , and they must be riding it fast. I’ve actually seen videos of the Chechen boys practicing grabbing various objects while riding a motorcycle or on horseback.
They got pretty good at grabbing things while riding fast, but were they always successful? No. No, they weren’t. That’s when my relative came in. He got to meet a lot of failed attempts at bride kidnapping at his little hospital at Chechnya. I asked him if those girls ever got married after that. He told me that it generally depended on how badly they got mangled during the first attempt.
This IS NOT about Chechnya. It is about a violent religion, being sold to us as beautiful, permeating our society in liberal bastions like Boston. Islam was their driving force, which they discovered in THIS country.