Then, tell us why Rip...most of the 200+ Lds men who took on additional plural wives after 1890 -- in the 1890-1910 period -- were not ex-communicated?
It was because of this post by Ripliancum -- and this post alone -- that I just took the time to post this new thread:
Solemn Covenant: The Mormon Polygamous Passage [Book lists almost 500 Lds in post-manifesto unions]
Here is what I said I post #1 of that thread...and shame on Ripliancum for his misleading comment:
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From the BYU review article: The book began as an attempt to explain why ALMOST HALF OF THE LATTER-DAY SAINT CHURCH'S TOP AUTHORITIES, ALONG WITH MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED OTHER MEN, took plural wives after the 1890 Manifesto. Hardy soon realized that a full understanding of polygamy's protracted demise (1890–1911) required consideration of its equally prolonged birth (1831–52) and of the periods when Mormons practiced it openly (1852–85) or in hiding (1885–90) under federal pressure to abandon it. Thus, the first three chapters treat the Church's efforts to make a plurality of wives as much a part of its patriarchal theology as a plurality of gods. As a historian of ideas, Hardy places this attempt in the context of a little-known current of early modern Western thought that favored polygamy over monogamy.
I have this book by B. Carmon Hardy. I've looked at Hardy's appendix: He lists 220 Mormon men who took
Note: These 220 men took about 275 additional plural wives during that 20-year period. (Almost half of these men already had -- at my count -- about 112 plural wives between them before the manifesto...so the overall average was almost three wives per man).
About HALF of the 220 men Hardy lists in his appendix -- 109 to be exact -- were monogamists when the 1890 "Manifesto" was passed. IoW, they weren't used to a "polygamous lifestyle" -- and had NO reason to take on a second, third, fourth, fifth wives -- with the "manifesto" in place.
The 220 men who took on 275 ADDITIONAL wives broke down, year-wise, as:
1910: 5
1909: 10
1908: 3
1907: 6
1906: 4
1905: 4
1904: 20
1903: 39 [this was the year Lds "prophet" Joseph F. Smith had to "lay down" Manifesto II to tell the Mormons to "stop" polygamy]
1902: 28
1901: 33
1900: 21
1899: 9
1898: 20
1897: 15
1896: 4
1895: 5
1894: 12
1893: 3
1892: 6
1891: 3
1890 between Oct. 10-->Dec: 8
TOTAL: 275 women initiated among 220 men
And precisely because over 100 additional unions were done in the 20th century, some of these plural unions did not die out until the late 1950s, with two possible families, the early 1960s.
From the BYU review article: Hardy clearly agrees with Apostle Marriner W. Merrill's 1891 view: "'I do Not believe the Manifesto was a revelation from God but was formulated by Prest. Woodruff and endorsed by His Councilors and the Twelve Apostles for expediency to meet the present situation of affairs in the Nation or those against the Church.'" (150).
(Well, ya know what this means...it means that IF D&C 132 is "correct" -- in a "revelation" that opened the door for Mormon polygamy...then there's BEEN NO "revelation" to really "shut it." It's just all for socio-political expediency...says both an Lds past "apostle"...and, in effect, this BYU source!!!
And, what this also means is that the fLDS are the "only" true keepers of Joseph Smith polygamous orthodoxy! (And here we thought the Mormon fundamentalists were the "offshoot"!!!)
Inasmuch as there are numerous reports in circulation that plural marriages have been entered into, contrary to the official declaration of President Woodruff of September 24, 1890, commonly called the manifesto, which was issued by President Woodruff, and adopted by the Church at its general conference, October 6, 1890, which forbade any marriages violative of the law of the land, I, Joseph F. Smith, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, hereby affirm and declare that no such marriages have been solemnized with the sanction, consent, or knowledge of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And I hereby announce that all such marriages are prohibited, and if any officer or member of the Church shall assume to solemnize or enter into any such marriage, he will be deemed in transgression against the Church, and will be liable to be dealt with according to the rules and regulations thereof and excommunicated therefrom.
JOSEPH F. SMITH,
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto
Most of the post manifesto marriages happened in Mexico and Canada. It became an ex-communicable offense in the first decade of the 1900’s. You can nick and knack to death and find little discrepancies all you want to please your pollution, but we both know the practice went away over 100 years ago like I said, no matter how you do the math.
Why do you think the fundamentalists movements started? It was because it became illegal practice it within the Church.
No matter how hard you try, the old fLDS label you try to stick the Mormon church doesn't hold muster.
Does the Mormon support of prop 8 really get your goat that you find you need to post this issue over and over again?