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To: Nero Germanicus

If you believe this is a valid equivalence English must be your second language. Otherwise it’s just dishonest.

Aliens refers to a group of people.

Nationality refers to a status.

Cats refers to an animal. So does dogs. NOT the same at all, since neither is a status.

A better comparison would be a chapter entitled ‘Shelties & Shedding’. I.e.: the state of shedding as it pertains to Shetland Sheepdogs.

The idea of entitling a chapter Dogs & Cats is ridiculous on its face. Dogs have many distinct characteristics. So do cats. A chapter that willy nilly attempted to discuss both would be a book—& even then a not very well organized book.

Perhaps you were thinking of a chapter about how dogs & cats interact. So, how DO aliens interact w nationalities? It’s your comparison; I’m sure you have some excellent insights.

Whenever a person in a debate resorts to outright dishonesty it’s a sign they have already lost. That is how I will view your comments henceforth. & if I were Philman, I’d have no more time for your pointless verbiage. But that’s just me.

For the record, yesterday I posted ‘phase’ when I should have posted ‘faze’.

But at least it was an honest mistake.


839 posted on 04/01/2013 9:59:15 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: philman_36

Forgot to courtesy ping you to 839. Since I mentioned your name, I should have added you to the heading. Sorry. :(


843 posted on 04/01/2013 10:19:44 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

I understand where you are coming from.
There is no need for you to take my word for it. If you can find any example in all of American history, from 1788 to 2013 where a person born in the United States who was not an alien with diplomatic immunity, a slave or a post Dred Scott decision Person of African descent, a reservation-based American Indian before 1924 and the Indian Citizenship Act or a member of a foreign occupying military was denied “Citizen of the United States at Birth” status, then please be so kind as to post the details here.
“Alien” is a status (as in “Permanent Resident Alien,” a person with a Green Card) and “National” is also a status ( as in Citizen of the United States at Birth). There are just a few people who might be “nationals” but are not US citizens: persons born in American Samoa, Swain’s Island or the Northern Marianas (Saipan).”
Aliens in America interact with American nationality by choosing or not choosing to leave one’s indigenous nationality behind and by naturalization, adopting a new nationality.
Yes, English is indeed my first language! ;-)
There are only two classifications of citizenship: aliens can become naturalized citizens and they are ineligible for the presidency and Citizens of the United States at birth or “natural born citizens” can become president.
The Supreme Court of the United States ruled 129 years ago: Elk v Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94 (1884)
“The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the Constitution, by which ‘no person, except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president;’ and ‘the Congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.’” Const. art. 2, § 1; art. 1, § 8.

And somebody should tell Steve Jenkins, the author of “Dogs and Cats” just how ridiculous he is! ;-):
http://www.amazon.com/Dogs-Cats-Steve-Jenkins/dp/0618507671

Wikipedia has a pretty thorough and well referenced article on American Nationality Law which covers all the alien and national contingencies and permutations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law


844 posted on 04/01/2013 10:57:59 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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