Posted on 03/26/2013 5:52:31 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
Like I said, you don't have an honest bone in your body, you even lie about that, your post 153 at me, with you defending the homosexual agenda and promoting the libertarian party, was the first post between us.
Most legal definitions of “sodomy” were not limited to buggery, but included acts of oral stimulation that are often practiced between a man and woman (husband and wife). That was the stated reason for the removal of those laws.
Note the word "definitions" is plural.
Texas wasn't the only state with a definition. The 2010 Texas law is something I know nothing about, I was referring to much older laws in other places, repeals or amendments made in the 1960s and 1970s, and not anything recent.
What you do in Texas is up to you, for all I care. I don't live there and if you are any example of Texans, I wouldn't care to.
You jumped to conclusions and tore off on a tangent claiming a lot of crap about me rather than simply finding out what I meant.
Don't bother to respond to me again.
The libertarian party is for full on homosexuality and full on, unlimited abortion, and for totally open borders, without even an INS or Border patrol.
They even lean pro-pedophilia.
Yet to quote you, who seem to not even have any support for conservatism since you never mention it, or respond to mentions of it.
“”OH, I SHOULD BE A STATIST BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT GOVERNMENT TO LEAVE THEM ALONE HAPPEN TO BE FAGGOTS?””
“Without the Libertarians, though, you’ll just be stuck with two different flavors of Statist: Obama Statists and Bloomberg Statists, they’re at their core control freaks who stand to gather wealth and power to themselves and tell the people it is for their own good.”
“Attacking the people who say that loudest (That Government should just butt out) and then inextricably associating them with the LIBERTINES (who, independent of political party, might share some of that philosophy on very limited government involvement in private matters for their own reasons) is not only wrong, it alienates the very sort of people who believe that limited government is best.”
Joe, sodomy laws were anti-homosexual, and straights wanted to keep them, they wrote them and fought for them, until they were defeated by the ACLU, the libertarians, and the homosexual agenda movement, and you are against the sodomy laws as well and defend it (dishonestly).
Only the pro-homosexual people were fighting to remove them.
Your very first post to me on this thread, post 153, was a defense of the homosexual agenda and the pro-homosexual libertarians.
Well, I don't support any of that. As I have repeatedly stated. So we're screwed, aren't we?
Because neither the GOP nor the Other party is going to stop any of that either, and they're both making laws hand over fist to take away our Constitutional Rights.
I am sure if you took a little time to dig through the 30k plus posts I have made you'd find I am probably far more Conservative than you are.
I didn't support the repeal, I stated no position on it, I just mentioned that fact.
It would have been far better had I left you to continue in your magnificent ignorance of those facts.
You have made it pretty clear that your identity is with the libertarians.
That is what you have been so rabidly posting on, on this thread.
You don’t agree with we conservatives and our laws against homosexuality. You call homosexual laws “statist” and you look to the libertarian party to bring in the kind of government and nation that you prefer.
The libertarian party is for full on homosexuality and full on, unlimited abortion, and for totally open borders, without even an INS or Border patrol.
They even lean pro-pedophilia.
Yet to quote you, who seem to not even have any support for conservatism since you never mention it, or respond to mentions of it.
“”OH, I SHOULD BE A STATIST BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT GOVERNMENT TO LEAVE THEM ALONE HAPPEN TO BE FAGGOTS?””
“Without the Libertarians, though, you’ll just be stuck with two different flavors of Statist: Obama Statists and Bloomberg Statists, they’re at their core control freaks who stand to gather wealth and power to themselves and tell the people it is for their own good.”
“Attacking the people who say that loudest (That Government should just butt out) and then inextricably associating them with the LIBERTINES (who, independent of political party, might share some of that philosophy on very limited government involvement in private matters for their own reasons) is not only wrong, it alienates the very sort of people who believe that limited government is best.”
I don’t see any easy or quick solution. I wish I did.
What people assume they know about libertarians is a sick joke and a sad commentary on the political situation in our country. I'll give you "tiny little third party", how's this!?
The Libertarian Party, in existence for over forty years, has approximately 325,807 members with only 235,500 registered voters as of 2008.
In the most recent Presidential election, the Libertarian Candidate received just under one percent of the vote. The Libertarian Party has no Representatives in the House and no Senators, plus they hold no Governorships or any other statewide elected positions. In the individual State Legislatures, the LP does not control any upper house or lower house seats at all.
There are approximately 55 million registered Republicans and a myriad number of elected or appointed Republicans currently serving at every level of government in every state.
Libertarians, large or small "l" do not have, nor have they ever had, any part in the problems our nation faces currently. If libertarians had any political credence at all, there would be at least one libertarian elected in a national or statewide office today, but there isn't!
The LP candidates often act as spoilers to allow Dems to win. In recent Congressional elections there were two or even three elections in which the LP candidates got 3 or 4% of the vote, thus allowing the Dem candidate to win.
The LP party platform is the ultra kook anarchy fringe of the left. It’s really simple.
But if a cop caught your girlfriend with her face in your lap at the drive-in, you could both go to jail in a lot of states.
So normal people fought laws which made fellatio (performed by a woman) and cunnilingus (performed by a man) a felony.
No joe, it wasn’t normal people fighting to end centuries of sodomy laws and legalize homosexuality
ansel12, do you understand that fellatio performed by a woman and cunnilingus performed by a man are not homosexual acts?
read my posts on this thread
I have - and they indicate you're unclear on the concept.
Libertarians and the homosexual agenda in regards to adoption and the military.
Section 1.3 “Personal Relationships”:
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.
As has been explained to you before, "libertarian" does not equal "Libertarian Party" - the term "libertarian" predates the Libertarian Party by centuries.
Libertarianism is their party, they are one and the same.
The origins of libertarianism is from the left just as leftism is reflected in their social and cultural positions.
Libertarians and the homosexual agenda in regards to adoption and the military.
Section 1.3 “Personal Relationships”:
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.
That is a very confused post and does not make clear who or what you are quoting or cutting and pasting from.
You also seem confused about who fought to remove the sodomy laws in America, and don’t seem to know that it was the pro-homosexual left.
Libertarianism is their party, they are one and the same.
Clearly wrong no matter how often you repeat it.
But if a cop caught your girlfriend with her face in your lap at the drive-in, you could both go to jail in a lot of states.
So normal people fought laws which made fellatio (performed by a woman) and cunnilingus (performed by a man) a felony.
[ansel12:] No joe, it wasn’t normal people fighting to end centuries of sodomy laws and legalize homosexuality
[me:] ansel12, do you understand that fellatio performed by a woman and cunnilingus performed by a man are not homosexual acts?
[ansel12:] read my posts on this thread
[me:] I have - and they indicate you're unclear on the concept.
[ansel12:] That is a very confused post and does not make clear who or what you are quoting or cutting and pasting from.
You're the first FReeper to express unclearness - it seems the confusion is on your end. But I've added attribution text to make it unmistakable.
[ansel12:] You also seem confused about who fought to remove the sodomy laws in America, and don’t seem to know that it was the pro-homosexual left.
So it was the pro-homosexual left that overturned laws against heterosexual sodomy, but not homosexual sodomy, in Texas in 1973, Kentucky in 1974, Arkansas and Missouri in 1977, and Tennessee in 1989?
It is interesting to watch how you reveal your interests and true positions in the issues of the day.
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