[Longbow1969]

You are still avoiding the fact that the polls in the 2012 election were extremely accurate. Whether you liked Romney or not is immaterial. The general election polling that showed Hussein winning the election were right. The polls that showed Republicans like Akin getting clobbered were correct. Conservatives that rejected those polls were wrong - and admitted to being wrong after the fact. You can go back to the RCP average for 2008 and 2004 and see that they too were incredibly accurate (within 1% of the final result).

Maryland had the gaypolls saying gayness wins, and it won, but guess who counts the ballots.

Listen to yourself here. You're now saying when the polls are right, even that isn't enough for you because you don't believe the vote count. You're just throwing out a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.

Use your head ~ this is a Washington Post poll. It may well have originally said gays lose ~ but the Post has a reputation to keep up ~ so the poll will say what they say it means.

What are you talking about? The Washington Post doesn't conduct the poll. They commission an actual polling firm, in this case Langer Research Associates, to do the work for them and ABC. LRA is not reversing results to please the WaPo.

Get your argument into line with what PEW says and show something that tells me you know something about statistical sampling methods, even sigma 6 quality control sampling

Oh good grief, you sound like a fool. This Pew poll you keep citing specifically rejects the argument you are making. In fact, that Pew article referenced by PJ Media says the following:

A new study by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press finds that, despite declining response rates, telephone surveys that include landlines and cell phones and are weighted to match the demographic composition of the population continue to provide accurate data on most political, social and economic measures. This comports with the consistent record of accuracy achieved by major polls when it comes to estimating election outcomes, among other things.

You are just wrong about polling.

[muawiyah]

What PEW rejects and what actually happens are two different lines of thought. They know very well what happened to Gallup when that polling firm went into inquiring of sexual orientation for every individual they contacted.

HOWEVER, I didn't support Romney and rejected the 'unskewed' cr*p ~ and as I recall you were over there telling us how 'unskewing' was great stuff ~ actually, it was nonsense. The basic assumption there was that every poll was highly stratified and tightly controlled. Which doesn't really matter unless you want to gauge public opinion on more than one item at a time ~ and you want to minimize the expensive calling operation.

The only way to overcome the problem with organized respondent groups (a minority of the population, or a subset if you want to call them that) is to increase sample sizes to enormous levels (hundreds of thousands of calls) ~ AND THEN PAY FOR IT!