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Philip Klein: Iraq War made Obamacare possible
Washington Examiner ^ | March 20, 2013 | Philip Klein

Posted on 03/21/2013 12:04:24 PM PDT by neverdem

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The Real Iraq War Lesson
1 posted on 03/21/2013 12:04:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

That’s a loose thought process. If not Iraq, the media would have gotten Bush another way. Iraq was 5-6 years old before Bush really lost his footing. Events like Katrina and Valerie Plame were the hot issues that got public opinion over the edge....’culture of corruption’, etc. that was the central them in 2006. Additionally, if health care wasn’t passed in 2010, it would have been at some point in the next decade when they had the opening.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 12:08:07 PM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: neverdem

I supported the Iraq war... I was wrong.

Just as Carter gave us Reagan, GWB gave us Obama.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 12:08:42 PM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: ilgipper

The GOP lost the Congress in 2006 because of three corrupt Congressmen and a string of bad GOP Senate candidates.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 12:10:10 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: brownsfan

That is one main reason why I don’t want Jeb Bush as President. Good God can you imagine how bad that President would be after Jeb? George HW Bush gave us Clinton and George W Bush gave us Obama.....Sheesh after Jeb it could be the chick from Mass...forgot her name.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 12:12:25 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: neverdem

The war was good right and productive. The refusal to defend it is a symptom conservative fickle defenses.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: ilgipper
"Loose" is being generous. By 2007, the polls were showing that the American public (rightly or wrongly--no need to get into it) wanted some sort of overhaul of the health care system. Can't fault the Democrats for jumping on board (they wanted to, anyway).

Couple that with the compliant media, and you got Obamacare. The Iraq War had little to do with it.

7 posted on 03/21/2013 12:14:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: neverdem

Yes we all know. All the evils of the world can be laid at the feet of Bush. This is axiomatic, we don’t need 2000 words of bs to repeat it.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 12:14:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: napscoordinator

Elizabeth Warren?


9 posted on 03/21/2013 12:16:13 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: lonestar67
The refusal to defend it is a symptom conservative fickle defenses.

Similar to what is going on now with the "lets get government out of the marriage business" nonsense.

10 posted on 03/21/2013 12:17:35 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: neverdem

Got Toe Fungus? Bush’s Fault!


11 posted on 03/21/2013 12:25:50 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: frogjerk; lonestar67

Thank you.
Too many Freepers are willing to capitulate.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 12:28:29 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Perdogg
The GOP lost the Congress in 2006 because of three corrupt Congressmen and a string of bad GOP Senate candidates.

Agreed. DeLay was a hard hit to take and the uncovering of the amount of corruption and back-patting that was going on in the GWB administration was killer. We've been hurting from that image ever since.
13 posted on 03/21/2013 12:40:34 PM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: lonestar67; kidd
The war was good right and productive.

I agree with you and I still support it today.

As far as I'm concerned, there was a bigger picture involved that has never been discussed and rightfully so.

We now have military bases and air strips established in Iraq which are likely abandoned right now, but readily accessible if the need arises. We also have approved air space over that country.

If and when a true war breaks out in the middle east, which I firmly believe will happen, Iraq and all we have built there will be an invaluable staging ground for whatever action is necessary on our part......

14 posted on 03/21/2013 12:42:11 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Perdogg
The GOP lost the Congress in 2006 because of three corrupt Congressmen and a string of bad GOP Senate candidates.

And Denny Hastert being out for himself, sending up budgets that were fat and GWB not have the conhones to veto one to send him a message..

Hastert was a hotter mess than anyone will admit here IMHO...

15 posted on 03/21/2013 1:29:52 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Bryan

Oh yeah. That’s “her” name.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 1:30:29 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: ilgipper
Nobody outside Washington cared about Valerie Plame. Nobody knew who she was (I exaggerate, but not much). The financial meltdown -- Fanny, Freddie, Wall Street -- would be a better example to make your point.

But leaving health care out of the picture, the GOP got into such straits because of the "double whammy." It wasn't just the economy (and the deficits and Katrina) that turned a lot of people against Bush. If the high-profile Obamacons of 2008 are any indication, Iraq was as important.

You could argue that Bush's listlessness and inability to speak up for his policies had more to do with the economic crisis, and that the slump was more important to the average citizen, but for some traditional Republican voters Iraq was where the disaffection started.

17 posted on 03/21/2013 1:37:05 PM PDT by x
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To: brownsfan
I supported the Iraq war... I was wrong. Just as Carter gave us Reagan, GWB gave us Obama.

Nuts.

The Democrats, MSM Liars, Saddam Hussein, and the Communist Chinese were able to knock down Bush's credibility by playing "keep away" with the MSM's, which were moved by the Russians to Syria in a big airlift before allied forces crossed the berm.

Saddam destroyed the calutrons and other equipment from his nuclear development program, but kept that a state secret: He wanted the world to go on thinking he was working on bioweapons and nuclear weapons.

By not chasing the weapons into Syria and giving the Ba'athists a sanctuary in Syria, Bush gave the Ba'athists, Iranians, and Democrats a weapon to use against him: No WMD's (false) equals "Bush lied, people died." (When was the last time anyone said that to Walter Duranty and Izzy Stone and the rest of our Red Chorus in the 40's?)

Bush's advisors stopped one move short in the WMD chase, and so told the Syrians and Russians it was okay to hide Saddam's materials and equipment.

* * * * *

In Bush's second term, Bill Clinton, James Carville, La. Sen. Mary Landrieu, and Gov. Kathleen Blanco set a political snare for Bush by keeping FEMA out of Louisiana during "Katrina" using Blanco's constitutional power to exclude the Feds, and the MSM did their part by blaming Bush for what Blanco and Landreiu had done. Bush had asked Blanco to let FEMA set up shop days before Hurricane "Katrina" arrived; Blanco said no, on the advice of The Man Behind the Curtain, who was running his wife for President.

THAT is what happened to Bush's second term. Hurricane "Slick".

18 posted on 03/21/2013 2:13:26 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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You could argue that Bush's listlessness and inability to speak up for his policies had more to do with the economic crisis ....

Which goes back to Karl Rove's constant advice to Bush, never to reply to critics. I don't know where Rove gets that, and some people on FR have begun to wonder if Rove isn't working for the destruction of the GOP. If he isn't some sort of closet case trying to destroy America, conservatism, morality, and the GOP in no particular order, to advance some secretly-hostile agenda. I don't blame them. How destructive could Rove's advice possibly be, and not make people wonder?

19 posted on 03/21/2013 2:18:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: brownsfan

AND Bush 41 inflicted the Clinton(s) on us.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 3:22:58 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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