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To: rustbucket; rockrr
If you aren’t able to refute a post, say so. It would be more honest.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of the same stuff that has been discussed to death posted over and over again.

And honestly, who does "refute" anything here? Even if that happens, the person refuted doesn't admit it, so it's like it never happened.

If you can’t respond to that without calling what I posted junk, you have lost the argument without even trying.

Like I said, I have trouble telling you guys apart. What I wrote was a result of being hit by a lot of different posts with a lot of different quotes that I thought were from the same person who was only going to make a "minor" correction.

I stand by my point, though. You are cherry-picking quotes that relate to the tariff rather than casting your nets wider. Your quotes from Northern business-oriented newspapers about how the South would react to the tariff are a poor substitute for the actual reactions of secessionists.

And who did start the war, anyway? Who "provoked" whom to what and how? If you don't recognize the great emotional appeal of nation and flag and honor in the 19th century or the persuasiveness of the constitutional arguments against secession of course you're going to look for something like the tariff to explain Lincoln's course of action, but not everyone is going to dismiss that much history.

334 posted on 04/03/2013 5:46:47 PM PDT by x
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To: x
Your quotes from Northern business-oriented newspapers about how the South would react to the tariff are a poor substitute for the actual reactions of secessionists. ... Your quotes from Northern business-oriented newspapers about how the South would react to the tariff are a poor substitute for the actual reactions of secessionists.

The papers whose articles I cited were commenting on the effect or likely effect of the two different tariffs on Northern commerce and what the importers were likely to do (and did), not how the South would react to the tariff.

I suggest you work on your reading comprehension. You've already attributed stuff to me that I didn't say, criticized me for supposedly ignoring or dismissing slavery as an issue (which I don't do), call material in my posts garbage and junk, and now you are mischaracterizing the articles I quoted.

And who did start the war, anyway? Who "provoked" whom to what and how?

I was intending to refer you by links to a couple of earlier posts of mine to answer your questions, but I see that the thread they were in was deleted because of some later flame war that erupted in it. I will repost them if you concur, but I suspect you would not agree with them and might be tempted to call them "junk" or "garbage" since they are long and cite a number of things and actions that you perhaps don't have time or inclination to deal with. Your call.

338 posted on 04/03/2013 10:36:14 PM PDT by rustbucket
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